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Post by nick8801 on Nov 24, 2020 9:58:27 GMT -6
Anyone have a chance to check these out? I'm currently on ns10's and a pair of EVE sc307's. The ns10's aren't going anywhere, but the Eve's never quite worked in my room. I used to have a pair of Presonus Sceptres that I was really able to mix well on, but the hissssss was awful. I miss the dual concentric thing, and I keep hearing good things about the Tannoys. I know...I know they are owned by Behringer now, but that doesn't really sway me as they seem to be producing the speakers in a quality way with good parts.I'll probably just grab a set from Sweetwater and if I don't like them they can just go back. Just wondering if anyone has heard them yet!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 24, 2020 10:02:38 GMT -6
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Post by the other mark williams on Nov 24, 2020 10:15:13 GMT -6
I’ve been curious about these. They still have a Class D amp - I wonder if the hissing is any better than the Sceptres. That’s the main complaint I’ve heard about the Sceptre.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 24, 2020 11:09:27 GMT -6
I’ve been curious about these. They still have a Class D amp - I wonder if the hissing is any better than the Sceptres. That’s the main complaint I’ve heard about the Sceptre. Wildly different amp. I think Presonus had their own plate amps slapped onto the Fulcrum designed speakers. I didn't notice the hiss when I demo'd them, but I was at an event, so not the best place to judge.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 11:54:34 GMT -6
They seem to be a step up in build from the JBLs, Kalis, and KRK Rokits but a step down from Precisions that Tannoy was offering pre Behringer. Those had the Tannoy imd and metal tweeter issues but had detail with the super tweeter. The drivers are probably not awful but the plate amps will break. Let’s see if the Asians or Slavs have taken it apart. Thank you crazy Russian and Chinese guys who don’t respect NDAs. www.exound.com/articles/93d670b6-d3ce-438a-bb52-35193f8375d9Cross-braced, cast woofer, damping looks to be not the best, plate amp is typical Behringer class ab Plate amp that will fry itself faster than their Chinese OEM competition. In the disposable monitor price category, get something cheaper ime JBL 5” (6” and 8” have shitty crossovers and no mids) Kali 6” (8” and the three ways have resonances) Krk Rokit 5” (the bigger Rokits until you hit the three way have no mids) Elac and NHT passives If you want something cheap not disposable, Yamaha HS8. Otherwise save something that costs over 1k a pair new.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 11:58:55 GMT -6
Bag End M-6 and PM-6 are still around if you want coax. Radian drivers. Won’t be shit. Will destroy actives worse than ATCs and Questeds. The hype is real for them. I’m on KRK V6 S4 right now and while they beat Neumann and Genelecs for depth despite the “good KRK sound” (different from Rokit sound) compared to good passives and ATCs, they have no detail.
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Post by ericn on Nov 24, 2020 12:13:24 GMT -6
If you want active Co-axe with DSP Fulcrum is the place to go. These things are designed by one of the guys from EAW who really knows speaker design and DSP. The AMPs are an OEM, but better than the Presonus Plate Amp. Everything is a step up from Presonus. The Bagend’s are indeed a steal, especially when you consider you can find the exact same Radians in the MM-8 in some 8K consumer speakers. I think you can order a Berilum diagphram from Radian that will add some detail.
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Post by drbill on Nov 24, 2020 12:38:22 GMT -6
I swore off (after swearing AT) Tannoy's years ago. I can't imagine a Behringer takeover would pull me back in.
Loved the way the LGM's sounded 25+ years ago. Too bad they didn't hold up even then.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 13:14:41 GMT -6
If you want active Co-axe with DSP Fulcrum is the place to go. These things are designed by one of the guys from EAW who really knows speaker design and DSP. The AMPs are an OEM, but better than the Presonus Plate Amp. Everything is a step up from Presonus. The Bagend’s are indeed a steal, especially when you consider you can find the exact same Radians in the MM-8 in some 8K consumer speakers. I think you can order a Berilum diagphram from Radian that will add some detail. The Eris I heard were a big step down from the JBL 305 and HS8 and Adam A7X, aka the best of late 2010s Guitar Shitter. The Presonus coax horns sounded like a PA system. I don’t know why anyone would choose them over something like the KRK V8 or JBL 708 which have some suckout and crappy plate amps but sound HUGE for their size.
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Post by ericn on Nov 24, 2020 13:34:41 GMT -6
I swore off (after swearing AT) Tannoy's years ago. I can't imagine a Behringer takeover would pull me back in. Loved the way the LGM's sounded 25+ years ago. Too bad they didn't hold up even then..... Bill, Tannoy dual concentric is a sound you love or you hate. God do I understand the haters, the high distortion and break up of the HF driver, the lag of that LF that just seams slow next to any great woofer.. But you get in the sweet spot and the magic of a dual concentric everything coming at you on a single axis can almost over come all of it. Dual concentrics are easy to set up and if you know what big Tannoy’s do wrong they are pretty easy to work with and over come. That is if you like them. The modern Behringer Tannoy Duelie sure sounds like a PA, because it is a Fane OEM, it just lacks the refinement that some people find in the big old classics.
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Post by ericn on Nov 24, 2020 13:39:08 GMT -6
If you want active Co-axe with DSP Fulcrum is the place to go. These things are designed by one of the guys from EAW who really knows speaker design and DSP. The AMPs are an OEM, but better than the Presonus Plate Amp. Everything is a step up from Presonus. The Bagend’s are indeed a steal, especially when you consider you can find the exact same Radians in the MM-8 in some 8K consumer speakers. I think you can order a Berilum diagphram from Radian that will add some detail. The Eris I heard were a big step down from the JBL 305 and HS8 and Adam A7X, aka the best of late 2010s Guitar Shitter. The Presonus coax horns sounded like a PA system. I don’t know why anyone would choose them over something like the KRK V8 or JBL 708 which have some suckout and crappy plate amps but sound HUGE for their size. A dual concentric with a horn is not easy to go cheap on, it felt like Eris was trying to over come a lot of budgeting with DSP, but if set up on axis, and you really, really, really need to be on axis with them to hear what they can bring to the party if you can overcome the hisss.
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Post by drbill on Nov 24, 2020 13:57:03 GMT -6
I swore off (after swearing AT) Tannoy's years ago. I can't imagine a Behringer takeover would pull me back in. Loved the way the LGM's sounded 25+ years ago. Too bad they didn't hold up even then..... Bill, Tannoy dual concentric is a sound you love or you hate. God do I understand the haters, the high distortion and break up of the HF driver, the lag of that LF that just seams slow next to any great woofer.. But you get in the sweet spot and the magic of a dual concentric everything coming at you on a single axis can almost over come all of it. Dual concentrics are easy to set up and if you know what big Tannoy’s do wrong they are pretty easy to work with and over come. That is if you like them. The modern Behringer Tannoy Duelie sure sounds like a PA, because it is a Fane OEM, it just lacks the refinement that some people find in the big old classics. Don't get me wrong, I loved the dual concentric tannoy sound. But after my best client fried my LGM 12's (man, those were beautiful speakers), Tannoy could NEVER get them sounding right again. And that was after 3-4 back to back re-cones. They finally admitted to a resonant freq in the cabinet that destroyed the surrounds, and that they were substituting a different surround material that could never get the surrounds working the way the original speakers worked. After going round and round with them, re-coning using different venders, costing me a ton of money, and taking the better part of a year with speakers that didn't work right - I parted ways with Tannoy for good.
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Post by nick8801 on Nov 24, 2020 15:24:14 GMT -6
I’m very familiar with the Fulcrums. A studio I’ve worked out of here in Jersey has one of the big pairs. I think even the smaller ones would be way over budget, but I’ll look into it. Not really interested in any of the other prosumer stuff out there. The Tannoys would probably sound close to what I want, but yes, those amps scare me.
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Post by nick8801 on Nov 24, 2020 16:42:46 GMT -6
Just talked to someone at Fulcrum. Around 10 grand for a pair of their smallest speakers! I'm sure they are incredible, but no way I can swing that!
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Post by nick8801 on Nov 24, 2020 17:14:15 GMT -6
APS Klasiks are also on my list...any thoughts on those?
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Post by nobtwiddler on Nov 24, 2020 17:15:51 GMT -6
I've owned in the past years
2 x Pairs of LGM-12's 1 x Pair of LGM-10's 2 x Pairs of NFM 8's 1 x Pair of SGM Dual 15 inch Main Monitors 1 x Pair of SGM Single 15 inch Main Monitors
and last but not least
4 x Pairs of PBM 6.5's (non coaxial)
Everyone of these were purchased new. And I also had a vintage pair of Tannoy something or other with the lens' I forgotten what they were called.
Wonderful speakers, and as Eric already stated it's a love hate relationship with this company. Very limited in their output, and distortion was a bit annoying, as well as blown drivers etc, etc, etc.
But as you can see I always came back to them. Weird? By the way, All of mine were purchased new!
Now that said, I recently (when they were released 5, 6, 7, years ago??? ) purchased a pair of KEF LS50 Anniversary. And all I can say, is nothing, Tannoy ever made can come close! These are amazing little monitors, and now come in a powered version. I'm using mine with a Mark Levinson 333., but the powered ones are a steal! I believe they run around $1600 give or take. And they have been on the best speaker list in all the audio rags for years!
Try a pair, you will NOT be disappointed.
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Post by ericn on Nov 24, 2020 17:49:44 GMT -6
I've owned in the past years 2 x Pairs of LGM-12's 1 x Pair of LGM-10's 2 x Pairs of NFM 8's 1 x Pair of SGM Dual 15 inch Main Monitors 1 x Pair of SGM Single 15 inch Main Monitors and last but not least 4 x Pairs of PBM 6.5's (non coaxial) Everyone of these were purchased new. And I also had a vintage pair of Tannoy something or other with the lens' I forgotten what they were called. Wonderful speakers, and as Eric already stated it's a love hate relationship with this company. Very limited in their output, and distortion was a bit annoying, as well as blown drivers etc, etc, etc. But as you can see I always came back to them. Weird? By the way, All of mine were purchased new! Now that said, I recently (when they were released 5, 6, 7, years ago??? ) purchased a pair of KEF LS50 Anniversary. And all I can say, is nothing, Tannoy ever made can come close! These are amazing little monitors, and now come in a powered version. I'm using mine with a Mark Levinson 333., but the powered ones are a steal! I believe they run around $1600 give or take. And they have been on the best speaker list in all the audio rags for years! Try a pair, you will NOT be disappointed. Man I forgot those little KEF’s ! Now I would say a Levinson 333 is over kill, but I’m Driving the Quested 308’s with a Rare BEL 2002 and all its class A goodness. Now those freaking little PBM 6.5’s there is a dirt cheap speaker that really love a great amp. The powered ones with the big AB limpet module on the Back suuuuck, most ended up with cheap Alesis or QSC or even Crown D75’s hated hated hated them, a fellow sales weasel loved them with the Hafler Trans Nova amps, so he set them for me, Damn if it didn’t open everything up I was shocked! Me being me I grabbed them, took them home hooked them up with an Audio Reaserch V70 (yeah $500 worth of speakers $6k amp) and Damn did those things suddenly sing !
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Post by nick8801 on Nov 24, 2020 17:55:26 GMT -6
I've owned in the past years 2 x Pairs of LGM-12's 1 x Pair of LGM-10's 2 x Pairs of NFM 8's 1 x Pair of SGM Dual 15 inch Main Monitors 1 x Pair of SGM Single 15 inch Main Monitors and last but not least 4 x Pairs of PBM 6.5's (non coaxial) Everyone of these were purchased new. And I also had a vintage pair of Tannoy something or other with the lens' I forgotten what they were called. Wonderful speakers, and as Eric already stated it's a love hate relationship with this company. Very limited in their output, and distortion was a bit annoying, as well as blown drivers etc, etc, etc. But as you can see I always came back to them. Weird? By the way, All of mine were purchased new! Now that said, I recently (when they were released 5, 6, 7, years ago??? ) purchased a pair of KEF LS50 Anniversary. And all I can say, is nothing, Tannoy ever made can come close! These are amazing little monitors, and now come in a powered version. I'm using mine with a Mark Levinson 333., but the powered ones are a steal! I believe they run around $1600 give or take. And they have been on the best speaker list in all the audio rags for years! Try a pair, you will NOT be disappointed. Ahhh yes Kef! I have a pair in my living room! Not the little coaxials, but a floorstanding model with a single driver and the mid/tweeter coax on top. I do love them. I'll look into powered little ones!
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Post by nobtwiddler on Nov 24, 2020 18:38:40 GMT -6
KEF's are amazing, and an even better buy in todays crazy market of high end speakers!
Eric, My 6.5 Tannoy's were always driven by either a BIG TANNOY power amp (forgot the model number, they only made for a few years) and or one of my 6 Perraux 6000B Power amps. (of which I still own two!) So definably needed a good amp, as do most small inefficient speakers
But as a side note, I recently moved, and brought the KEF' LS50's with me to the new space... But because of room limitations, I sold my Unity Audio Boulder II's..but still needed something a bit bigger and louder than the KEF's for playback, especially if an artist or band is here with me.
So to that end, I just purchased a pair of ATC SCM 25A's from Brad at Trans Audio. Which by the way, are amazing speakers in their own right. And fit my new little space perfectly. To get to know them, I listened to mixes I did from last few years on the new ATC's and I have to tell ya, I was blown away. The mixes previously done with the LS50's played back on the ATC's ... sounded GREAT!
Which to me proves the worth of those little KEF's Really, really, great little monitors!
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Post by ericn on Nov 24, 2020 20:38:35 GMT -6
KEF's are amazing, and an even better buy in todays crazy market of high end speakers! Eric, My 6.5 Tannoy's were always driven by either a BIG TANNOY power amp (forgot the model number, they only made for a few years) and or one of my 6 Perraux 6000B Power amps. (of which I still own two!) So definably needed a good amp, as do most small inefficient speakers But as a side note, I recently moved, and brought the KEF' LS50's with me to the new space... But because of room limitations, I sold my Unity Audio Boulder II's..but still needed something a bit bigger and louder than the KEF's for playback, especially if an artist or band is here with me. So to that end, I just purchased a pair of ATC SCM 25A's from Brad at Trans Audio. Which by the way, are amazing speakers in their own right. And fit my new little space perfectly. To get to know them, I listened to mixes I did from last few years on the new ATC's and I have to tell ya, I was blown away. The mixes previously done with the LS50's played back on the ATC's ... sounded GREAT! Which to me proves the worth of those ltle KEF's Really, really, great little monitors! Man Paul I bet those 6.5’s sounded great with that big old Perraoux. The 25’s are special, but being the audio Sadists I am and speakers being my favorite form of punishment, I do have to admit I wish they would make a slightly bigger box (SCM35?) with the S and SL drivers. Do you find the 25’s have enough on the bottom? I know with your Wilson’s at home you like your low end with low distortion ( had a chance to hear the Sasha’s last week ).
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Post by nobtwiddler on Nov 27, 2020 20:21:43 GMT -6
Eric, I believe the 25A's have enough for the room they are in! But I agree with you a slightly larger pair SCM35, would be great. Especially if they had the new drivers.
Wilsons in the living room, powered with my 8 watt Cary Signature Single Ended Triode 300B Monoblocks are another league altogether. Unbelievable listening experience.
Haven't heard the Sasha as yet, but will make it point to give them a listen.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 21:50:19 GMT -6
I've owned in the past years 2 x Pairs of LGM-12's 1 x Pair of LGM-10's 2 x Pairs of NFM 8's 1 x Pair of SGM Dual 15 inch Main Monitors 1 x Pair of SGM Single 15 inch Main Monitors and last but not least 4 x Pairs of PBM 6.5's (non coaxial) Everyone of these were purchased new. And I also had a vintage pair of Tannoy something or other with the lens' I forgotten what they were called. Wonderful speakers, and as Eric already stated it's a love hate relationship with this company. Very limited in their output, and distortion was a bit annoying, as well as blown drivers etc, etc, etc. But as you can see I always came back to them. Weird? By the way, All of mine were purchased new! Now that said, I recently (when they were released 5, 6, 7, years ago??? ) purchased a pair of KEF LS50 Anniversary. And all I can say, is nothing, Tannoy ever made can come close! These are amazing little monitors, and now come in a powered version. I'm using mine with a Mark Levinson 333., but the powered ones are a steal! I believe they run around $1600 give or take. And they have been on the best speaker list in all the audio rags for years! Try a pair, you will NOT be disappointed. Man I forgot those little KEF’s ! Now I would say a Levinson 333 is over kill, but I’m Driving the Quested 308’s with a Rare BEL 2002 and all its class A goodness. Now those freaking little PBM 6.5’s there is a dirt cheap speaker that really love a great amp. The powered ones with the big AB limpet module on the Back suuuuck, most ended up with cheap Alesis or QSC or even Crown D75’s hated hated hated them, a fellow sales weasel loved them with the Hafler Trans Nova amps, so he set them for me, Damn if it didn’t open everything up I was shocked! Me being me I grabbed them, took them home hooked them up with an Audio Reaserch V70 (yeah $500 worth of speakers $6k amp) and Damn did those things suddenly sing ! Agreed Eric. powered wireless ones sound nothing like the passives. They're shockingly bad and KEF is usually decent. They tried to extend the bass with a bad amp, digital eq, and a limiter. They sound nothing like the passives. There's more bass but it's super muddier and the port has major issues rather than interfering just a bit (hey it's a hifi speaker) while treble is off. They just sound like butt.
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Post by brenta on Nov 27, 2020 22:01:36 GMT -6
I keep hearing great things about KEF. Has anyone tried the KEF Q150's? Those would be more in my price range for what would be a 5th reference (facepalm). I'd love to try the new Tannoys too but the ones I used in the past didn't blow me away.
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Post by nick8801 on Nov 28, 2020 4:49:26 GMT -6
I have an older (2008) pair of Kef q series floor standing speakers in my living room. I love them. Maybe a tad bright, but overall very balanced and transparent. They power really well simple store bought amps. I’m using a Denon receiver and I think it works great for what it is.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 28, 2020 5:05:04 GMT -6
There’s the new kef at $1500 list, little more money but only recently released.
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