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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 9, 2021 16:29:13 GMT -6
Thanks Mark. I do the same thing, set up buses. These days, I put the Ocean Way room verb first on every track at just enough level to hear the change, but never heavy handed. Then I have Liquid Sonics 7th Heaven, Relab XL480, Phoenix Verb, and sometimes Sound Toys' Little Plate. On rare occasions I put a separate reverb on the main vocal track.
I liked the vocal delay on your vocal. Any idea which one that was ?
I used to have the Lexicon PCM-42 on a bus on my mixer back in the day. Man, that thing was so easy to use and blended perfectly with the whole track. None of the delays I've tried have quite gotten there, so I tend not to use them at all.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 10, 2021 11:20:41 GMT -6
Thanks Mark. I do the same thing, set up buses. These days, I put the Ocean Way room verb first on every track at just enough level to hear the change, but never heavy handed. Then I have Liquid Sonics 7th Heaven, Relab XL480, Phoenix Verb, and sometimes Sound Toys' Little Plate. On rare occasions I put a separate reverb on the main vocal track. I liked the vocal delay on your vocal. Any idea which one that was ? I used to have the Lexicon PCM-42 on a bus on my mixer back in the day. Man, that thing was so easy to use and blended perfectly with the whole track. None of the delays I've tried have quite gotten there, so I tend not to use them at all. Looks like there are 3 delays on the vocal: Echorec, Repeater, and Echoboy. For reverbs, the vocal has PhoenixVerb, Cinematic Rooms, and VerbSuite Classics.
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Post by stam on Jan 10, 2021 12:42:36 GMT -6
OK, here's the same "Youngstown" clip, but I finally found some time last night to add some electric guitars, drums, and bass. The acoustic guitars and the vocal are with the Stam SA-67. Everything is EQ'd and compressed to suit the mix. I think it holds up well. I did end up having to deess just a little bit after I EQ'd the vocal, but I probably could've gotten away without any de-essing. I just liked it better with the esses tamed a bit. I haven't tried swapping out the 67 for the Soyuz in this context, but I imagine the Soyuz on acoustic guitars in particular would be nice in this mix. I found the Soyuz overall to be less "relaxed," which might help the acoustic guitars pop out a little more on the sides. https%3A//soundcloud.com/markwilliams/akron-full-band-stam-sa-67Oh man, I am speechless and that doesn't happen frequently Your performance and skills are truly first class. Congratulations Mark
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 10, 2021 16:25:13 GMT -6
Thanks Mark. I do the same thing, set up buses. These days, I put the Ocean Way room verb first on every track at just enough level to hear the change, but never heavy handed. Then I have Liquid Sonics 7th Heaven, Relab XL480, Phoenix Verb, and sometimes Sound Toys' Little Plate. On rare occasions I put a separate reverb on the main vocal track. I liked the vocal delay on your vocal. Any idea which one that was ? I used to have the Lexicon PCM-42 on a bus on my mixer back in the day. Man, that thing was so easy to use and blended perfectly with the whole track. None of the delays I've tried have quite gotten there, so I tend not to use them at all. Looks like there are 3 delays on the vocal: Echorec, Repeater, and Echoboy. For reverbs, the vocal has PhoenixVerb, Cinematic Rooms, and VerbSuite Classics. That’s interesting. You have 3 delays and 3 reverbs all on the vocal? I feel like I need an education on how best to utilize delay and reverb.
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Post by timcampbell on Jan 10, 2021 22:29:35 GMT -6
Well when I had a small studio and I only had an LXP-1, LXP-5 and a lexicon LXP15. I had a very "live" tracking room so I set up a PA out there when I was mixing and I would send all my reverbs and echos through eq and out to the PA and placed some mics at the opposite end of the room. I would send whatever out to the PA and would mix the mics back in in place of the direct reverb.
It sounded a lot more expensive that way
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 11, 2021 0:02:23 GMT -6
Well when I had a small studio and I only had an LXP-1, LXP-5 and a lexicon LXP15. I had a very "live" tracking room so I set up a PA out there when I was mixing and I would send all my reverbs and echos through eq and out to the PA and placed some mics at the opposite end of the room. I would send whatever out to the PA and would mix the mics back in in place of the direct reverb. It sounded a lot more expensive that way such a great process! It’s been years, but I used to do a similar thing at a home studio that very much resembled The Bennett House in Nashville. It’s remarkable how lifelike things can become when miking a space like that. And LXP-5s are such an underrated reverb.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 11, 2021 9:13:26 GMT -6
OK, here's the same "Youngstown" clip, but I finally found some time last night to add some electric guitars, drums, and bass. The acoustic guitars and the vocal are with the Stam SA-67. Everything is EQ'd and compressed to suit the mix. I think it holds up well. I did end up having to deess just a little bit after I EQ'd the vocal, but I probably could've gotten away without any de-essing. I just liked it better with the esses tamed a bit. I haven't tried swapping out the 67 for the Soyuz in this context, but I imagine the Soyuz on acoustic guitars in particular would be nice in this mix. I found the Soyuz overall to be less "relaxed," which might help the acoustic guitars pop out a little more on the sides. https%3A//soundcloud.com/markwilliams/akron-full-band-stam-sa-67Love it. Amazing voice. I wish I could sing like you man.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 11, 2021 12:08:45 GMT -6
Wow!
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Post by subspace on Jan 11, 2021 13:03:18 GMT -6
Well when I had a small studio and I only had an LXP-1, LXP-5 and a lexicon LXP15. I had a very "live" tracking room so I set up a PA out there when I was mixing and I would send all my reverbs and echos through eq and out to the PA and placed some mics at the opposite end of the room. I would send whatever out to the PA and would mix the mics back in in place of the direct reverb. It sounded a lot more expensive that way Wait, are you me? Same here, LXP-1 and LXP-5 with an MRC, sent them out to the tracking room and re-captured with a pair of SM81s. Many reverb returns ended up having some backing vocals mixed in live as bored band members would sneak out there and harmonize with the vocal verbs.
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Post by seawell on Jan 11, 2021 13:51:09 GMT -6
Thank you for taking the time to do this Mark! Awesome performance and song 👏🏼 Very impressed by the Stam 67!
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Post by Jason on Jan 11, 2021 18:07:25 GMT -6
I never was a fan of a bright , jangly acoustic sound found on a lot of modern stuff. On it's own it's dramatic but in a mix top end determines nearness. The more top an instrument has in a vocal song, the more top the voice must have to maintain intimacy or cut through.
I always prefer bronze wound strings to that fizzy phosphur bronze sound we've all gotten used to.
@theothermarkwilliams - Great song, great production and great sound, Mark! Well done! Gassing for a ‘67 for a while, but fear I don’t have the patience to wait for something like the Stam though. Sounds like it was worth the wait for you! timcampbell - Will never go back to phosphor-bronze; nickel-bronze has my ears! www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/NB1356--daddario-nb1356-nickel-bronze-acoustic-strings-013-056-medium
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Post by Ward on Jan 12, 2021 6:10:41 GMT -6
Glad to be of service.
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Post by Jason on Jan 12, 2021 10:18:25 GMT -6
Glad to be of service. Haha, sorry ward, lost track of who said what and when. Let's agree to keep the nickel-bronze secret to ourselves. ;-)
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