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Post by avgatzeblouz on Feb 10, 2020 8:46:55 GMT -6
In Montreal, between 250CAD and 350CAD per song for a few hours gig. For several days, around 450CAD a day. That's for major session players. For players not in the big loop ("big" being relative to Québec's size), you can easily knock off 100$ to those rates. For classical/union players, it is around 300CAD per 3h.
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Post by M57 on Feb 10, 2020 9:02:35 GMT -6
JK mentioned some on and off-card studio rates. Remote sessions apparently run the gamut. I've heard as much as $150 per mic from a "name" player (so that's over a $1000 for a song.) to peanuts. My go-to player charges about $200, which delivers kick, snare, hat, three toms and overheads, plus a room mic I think. He charges an additional $25 for individual percussion tracks and $35 to chart it if you can't provide a chart. All includes two revisions. I haven't used him in a year or so, so his rates may be different now.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 10, 2020 9:35:21 GMT -6
How much do you guys typically pay for drum tracks/sessions? Per song, per hour? I would charge $100/song for a basic pop/rock drum track to a click that I record at my place.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 10, 2020 9:40:33 GMT -6
What genre? Usually I can hire a Nashville guy off the card for $100-150 per song. I would expect this rate for a top level Boston guy too. I'm sure I could book a "non pro" but talented player for $100 for a half day of tracking.
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Post by stormymondays on Feb 10, 2020 15:15:06 GMT -6
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Post by drbill on Feb 10, 2020 15:30:36 GMT -6
JK mentioned some on and off-card studio rates. Remote sessions apparently run the gamut. I've heard as much as $150 per mic from a "name" player (so that's over a $1000 for a song.) to peanuts. My go-to player charges about $200, which delivers kick, snare, hat, three toms and overheads, plus a room mic I think. He charges an additional $25 for individual percussion tracks and $35 to chart it if you can't provide a chart. All includes two revisions. I haven't used him in a year or so, so his rates may be different now. Per mic? Serious? I've never heard of that in my life. LA perspective here....
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Post by lpedrum on Feb 10, 2020 18:26:43 GMT -6
JK mentioned some on and off-card studio rates. Remote sessions apparently run the gamut. I've heard as much as $150 per mic from a "name" player (so that's over a $1000 for a song.) to peanuts. My go-to player charges about $200, which delivers kick, snare, hat, three toms and overheads, plus a room mic I think. He charges an additional $25 for individual percussion tracks and $35 to chart it if you can't provide a chart. All includes two revisions. I haven't used him in a year or so, so his rates may be different now. Per mic? Serious? I've never heard of that in my life. LA perspective here.... Per mic? Is that an archaic pre war union thing? I've NEVER run across that approach in 40 years doing this. On the plus side you could make a nice mono record really cheap!
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Post by mcirish on Feb 11, 2020 11:37:23 GMT -6
I've hired string players and brass players for sessions. Typically it's a flat $100 per song unless I ask them to do a lot more than their one part. If they don't have studio experience, I'd pay a lot less. I've worked with some clarinet players that just could not get the part down. Took hours and a truckload of editing. Great players are worth their pay.
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Post by EmRR on Feb 11, 2020 11:54:03 GMT -6
The other thing was they weren’t able to play by ear, which is required for arranging ideas in your head, or figuring out ideas you might hum to them. Have to write your idea in correct notation. I ran into that situation about 7 years ago while recording a Christmas album. The artist wanted a solo violin to play the melody of silent night and the player requested notation. I said, you don’t know the song? She said she did know the song but that she needed it notated in order to play it. Walked back into the control room, scribbled it out real quick by memory and walked into the live room and handed it to her. I had one of the notes as a # instead of a natral and she played it as written. After the pass she asked if she was finished and I almost lost it. Re-wrote the part, got it right, and NEVER called her again. Yep. I've watched a string section play incorrectly written music with the wrong number of bars, and they just keep going like a berserk spammed FAX machine in the face of everything obviously wrong. You could see them twitching a little, but no stopping. Others with great pitch but zero ability to follow another musician by ear. I had one attempt to come up with some basic parts while referencing a demo on their own time, freaked out and canceled their own participation because the just couldn't find any reference on their own. I asked the local symphony personnel director if that was unique, and he replied that ALMOST NONE of the musicians in the local symphony would be able to work without sheet music. They aren't so much musicians as they are automatons, it's what they've been trained to be. They really must play some other forms of music, bluegrass/traditional, whatever, anything that involves basic off the cuff collaboration.
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Post by spindrift on Feb 11, 2020 14:39:14 GMT -6
^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^. This is the best and mirrors my experience as well EmRR ! I have this crack violinist friend who is barely classically trained who can conjure up entire string sections on the fly....she just keeps saying give me another track and creates absolute magic on the spot! She’s also an anesthesiologist so there’s obviously some brilliance going on here! I’ve had other string players literally not be able to play a 2 bar part I’ve hummed to them seconds before.
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Post by stormymondays on Feb 11, 2020 15:48:50 GMT -6
^^^My experiences exactly!
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 11, 2020 17:27:22 GMT -6
Yeah, my favorite brass players are the classical guys who also play jazz. I had a great trumpet player on my Granada recording who was like that.
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Post by Guitar on Feb 15, 2020 18:54:36 GMT -6
hiring jazz players seems like a brilliant idea to me
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 15, 2020 20:41:31 GMT -6
hiring jazz players seems like a brilliant idea to me There are a lot of “white” jazz musicians out there. Buyer beware.
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Post by Guitar on Feb 16, 2020 7:46:02 GMT -6
hiring jazz players seems like a brilliant idea to me There are a lot of “white” jazz musicians out there. Buyer beware. LOL! I'd like to be more of one someday but I know what you mean.
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Post by Ward on Feb 16, 2020 9:15:33 GMT -6
hiring jazz players seems like a brilliant idea to me There are a lot of “white” jazz musicians out there. Buyer beware. You say that like a man who never wants to listen to lounge lizards play 'Mack the Knife' or 'Girl from Ipanema' ever again.
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 14, 2020 13:33:13 GMT -6
I wanted to follow up on this thread. I hired an online string session player (soundbetter.com) to play a quartet on a tune of mine. I could use some feedback to see what you think about the arrangement. It's mixed so that the strings can be heard well to evaluate. I posted in the 'What are you working on" section, but also wanted to update this thread since I started it.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/adamjmonk/moon-eyes_24violinsarr_all
Here are the strings solo'd: https%3A//soundcloud.com/adamjmonk/moon-eyes_24violinsarr_strings
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Post by popmann on Apr 14, 2020 14:33:58 GMT -6
The arrangement sounds fine. Sonically, your tracks are really bright....and the strings are rolled off in comparison. So, ideally you're going to end up meeting them in the middle, I'd hope.
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 14, 2020 14:39:16 GMT -6
The arrangement sounds fine. Sonically, your tracks are really bright....and the strings are rolled off in comparison. So, ideally you're going to end up meeting them in the middle, I'd hope. Yeah, super bright. This is his mix. I think he did that so the strings could be heard super well.
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Post by popmann on Apr 14, 2020 16:58:13 GMT -6
He made the strings dark so that they could be heard better? That's a new technique on me.
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 14, 2020 18:09:25 GMT -6
He made the strings dark so that they could be heard better? That's a new technique on me. I have no idea. Maybe just boosted the highs on the mix? Or maybe my mix was already super bright?
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Post by drbill on Apr 14, 2020 19:47:48 GMT -6
Dark is the new bright.....didn't you guys get the memo?
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