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Post by nobtwiddler on Feb 15, 2020 17:14:19 GMT -6
Ambience setting for vocals is beautiful Plates 1-2. well you already know what they are good for. EVERYTHING Room 1 & 2 with tweaking from the unit itself can be very, very, convincing. Chambers for me, are more for special effects, and different type of sounds I want to stand out in a mix. Non-Linear, well, that's a classic. Reverse, I've used mostly on heavy stuff, again special effects and is totally unique.
But I think the main thing to take from all of this is that the actual old units have a weight to them that is just not there in the plug in's and maybe in the new 500 series. I have to tell ya the 1580 sounded like no other delay on the planet, it was thick and warm (for digital) They had a thing, and that's exactly what you bought them for. I paid a small fortune for all the AMS stuff when it came out... But back then, clients actually came to your studio because you owned a certain pieces of gear... It paid for itself within a year!
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 15, 2020 21:15:47 GMT -6
Here’s a question - these are all digital, right? It’s not like we’re talking about old transformers with alloys you can’t get today...what is it?
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 15, 2020 22:15:45 GMT -6
Here’s a question - these are all digital, right? It’s not like we’re talking about old transformers with alloys you can’t get today...what is it? I think a part of it could be the converters used back the units. Revolutionary at the time, probably pretty awful by today’s standards. Hence, they have a sound that some people want.
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Post by Blackdawg on Feb 16, 2020 14:28:24 GMT -6
Here’s a question - these are all digital, right? It’s not like we’re talking about old transformers with alloys you can’t get today...what is it? I think a part of it could be the converters used back the units. Revolutionary at the time, probably pretty awful by today’s standards. Hence, they have a sound that some people want. This. Alot of those early digital units converters are like 12 bit. And few other components in the signal path contribute to it. It's also worth noting that while a lot of stuff was "digital" back in the day it barely was. Was just the hot marketing word of the era. Case and point, the TC 2290 Delay is actually almost all analog. Just digital control.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Feb 16, 2020 15:57:43 GMT -6
12 bit, as well as the analog electronics before and after it was digital . All of that is part of it's unique sound.
I don't know why they didn't just use a great analog front end, and output stage? Instead of modeling it? That seems a bit silly, as It is 3 spaces wide? Who knows why people do certain things?
Of course this goes for all that old 70's & 80's stuff, Eventide, Lexicon, Publison, EMT, Quantec, Klark Teknik, BDL, TC, Ursa Major, Yamaha, etc, etc.....
PS, I have 2 x RMX 16's. My main unit I'm keeping. The other one is in my storage room, along with a 1580. They are gonna both go up for sale sometime later this summer in case anyone is interested.
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Post by yotonic on Feb 18, 2020 20:51:31 GMT -6
Here’s a question - these are all digital, right? It’s not like we’re talking about old transformers with alloys you can’t get today...what is it? I think a part of it could be the converters used back the units. Revolutionary at the time, probably pretty awful by today’s standards. Hence, they have a sound that some people want. To me a lot of the new condenser microphones and digital gear amplify too much of what I don't want to hear. The detail becomes distracting from the source. Much like watching a movie shot on video as versus 35mm film. Certain vintage gear and dynamics filter out the mouth noise and distracting bits and pieces leaving you with a sonic image and texture that is simplified and pleasing.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 21, 2022 13:05:35 GMT -6
Anyone have one of these for a while? What's the consensus?
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