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Post by adamjbrass on Jan 8, 2020 12:48:05 GMT -6
I think this is very cool. We've been really digging our Patch
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 8, 2020 13:03:37 GMT -6
Okay that is awesome.
I want it. and will get it.
I was looking at the Patch the other day but could not come up with a good way to integrate it with my "console" insert points and all the gear I have/will have. This solves all that.
Love it.
Between this and getting a Konnector all my patching should be recallable.
Hybrid mixing to the max!
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Post by javamad on Jan 8, 2020 17:42:08 GMT -6
10 grand for the 96-way patch seems excessive.
I guess if I was jumping through 10 recalls all day at $5000 a mix it would pay for itself in no time but that is not the case.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 8, 2020 20:50:56 GMT -6
10 grand for the 96-way patch seems excessive. I guess if I was jumping through 10 recalls all day at $5000 a mix it would pay for itself in no time but that is not the case. the MSRP is a bit high. Hopefully actual sale price will be less than that. But it is still much much more than a normal patch bay. Instant recall. Multing. It is pretty powerful. I found a competitor as well. Xbay. Not sure on pricing though. |
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Post by saltyjames on Jan 9, 2020 0:41:47 GMT -6
But I have 10 patchbays. I would need 5 of these to replace my units.
Gulp*
Not in this lifetime!
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Post by drbill on Jan 9, 2020 10:15:43 GMT -6
Interesting. But I just use PT to recall all my patching. I have TT bays as well, but it's rare that I don't just chain things together inside PT I/o and call it good. If I was mixing on an analog desk "old skool" this would make more sense.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 9, 2020 10:46:46 GMT -6
But I have 10 patchbays. I would need 5 of these to replace my units. Gulp* Not in this lifetime! THe Xbay has a 128x128 model for 3k. Much more doable. Interesting. But I just use PT to recall all my patching. I have TT bays as well, but it's rare that I don't just chain things together inside PT I/o and call it good. If I was mixing on an analog desk "old skool" this would make more sense. You're daisy chaining via hardware inserts? You don't mind all the AD/DA conversions. |
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Post by EmRR on Jan 9, 2020 11:05:29 GMT -6
Yeah, I'd have to be REALLY busy to justify this over doing the labor myself. OTOH, it would make you more prone to use outboard.
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Post by BradM on Jan 9, 2020 11:07:17 GMT -6
I'm actually surprised a company like Behringer or KT or Midas isn't jumping on a product category like this. Seems like it's right up their alley, especially with the live sound applications. Maybe it's just a matter of time.
Brad
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Post by matt@IAA on Jan 9, 2020 11:31:50 GMT -6
I'm actually surprised a company like Behringer or KT or Midas isn't jumping on product category like this. Seems like it's right up their alley, especially with the live sound applications. Maybe it's just a matter of time. Brad Their website says something about a patent. A quick google search didn't work for me, so I don't know what their patent is for...but they may have carved out a nice space for the time being. |
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Post by drbill on Jan 9, 2020 11:39:28 GMT -6
But I have 10 patchbays. I would need 5 of these to replace my units. Gulp* Not in this lifetime! THe Xbay has a 128x128 model for 3k. Much more doable. Interesting. But I just use PT to recall all my patching. I have TT bays as well, but it's rare that I don't just chain things together inside PT I/o and call it good. If I was mixing on an analog desk "old skool" this would make more sense. You're daisy chaining via hardware inserts? You don't mind all the AD/DA conversions. To answer your questions - Yes. Not at all. (3 all the time, sometimes 4 or even 5) If I'm heading OTB, I'm looking for something "different". IME, what comes back is 98% of the time better than what left. What's not to like about that? No need to over-analyze for my applications. |
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Post by Ned Ward on Jan 9, 2020 11:58:08 GMT -6
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Post by adamjbrass on Jan 9, 2020 12:35:25 GMT -6
When the first Patch came onto the scene, it was clear a lot of guys wanted more points, rather than hobble multiple units together, eating up DSUB points. But, I think even the LT version could be enough for some users who would use this product. Time will tell! For Demoing hardware units in a dealer showroom, the PATCH is AWESOME. I don't have to fiddle with cables anymore. yay
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 9, 2020 15:38:02 GMT -6
I'm actually surprised a company like Behringer or KT or Midas isn't jumping on a product category like this. Seems like it's right up their alley, especially with the live sound applications. Maybe it's just a matter of time. Brad I'm actually surprised a company like Behringer or KT or Midas isn't jumping on product category like this. Seems like it's right up their alley, especially with the live sound applications. Maybe it's just a matter of time. Brad Their website says something about a patent. A quick google search didn't work for me, so I don't know what their patent is for...but they may have carved out a nice space for the time being. There is already another competitor though their branding/site kind of sucks. But they have products out in the wild already. Called Xbay. Much cheaper than the Flock. The app doesn't look quite a nice but the hardware is basically the same thing I think. Some cooler things about it and some different: drive.google.com/file/d/1CnS0_fEtf6Xw4_DINrQ2MxDENIqPQYJo/view Also marketing them as unbalanced connections. So the 128x128 is a 64x64 balanced unit. www.gearslutz.com/board/product-alerts-older-than-2-months/1260183-xbay-128x128-pass-through-balanced-programmable-analog-patchbay.html |
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 9, 2020 16:05:51 GMT -6
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 9, 2020 16:37:25 GMT -6
I don't really understand why people these days have such a problem with simply sticking plugs into holes.
Also these things aren't connector compatible with my console's onboard TT patchbay. I'd end up with a permanent rat's nest connecting the console's I/O with the automated patchbay dingus.
I prefer a non-permanent rat's nest.
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Post by BradM on Jan 9, 2020 17:43:07 GMT -6
I don't really understand why people these days have such a problem with simply sticking plugs into holes.
Also these things aren't connector compatible with my console's onboard TT patchbay. I'd end up with a permanent rat's nest connecting the console's I/O with the automated patchbay dingus.
I prefer a non-permanent rat's nest.
John, The "kids" these days prefer to do everything with their phones and apps.  One could argue that Flock's design is catering to what seems most comfortable / sensible to younger generations. If voting could be done by swiping right while waiting in the grocery checkout line, we'd probably see world-changing voter participation by that segment of the population. Punching paper ballots, and likewise sticking plugs into jacks is largely seen as an unnecessary inconvenience in this age of pocket computers and instant digital connectivity. And let's not forget - the jack patchbay well is over 100 years old at this point. Evolution is bound to happen eventually. Also music is mostly being recorded by non-technical people these days. So we are seeing the design of gear and user interface that reflects this new reality. I think increasingly as we go forward, the most successful pro audio products will be those that facilitate artistic convenience rather than technical mastery. Brad |
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Post by drbill on Jan 9, 2020 18:44:18 GMT -6
I don't really understand why people these days have such a problem with simply sticking plugs into holes. One reason only - recall. I handle that (recall of patching chains) inside of PT, and hard patch in the TT bay as needed. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 9, 2020 20:43:03 GMT -6
yeah the recall options is super cool.
Plus it gives you the ability to use hardware almost like a plugin. Just try something else, bam click of a mouse. That sounds like it would be pretty fun to have I think.
Even if you used it with only gear that you use a lot all over the place could be cool.
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 9, 2020 21:17:49 GMT -6
I don't really understand why people these days have such a problem with simply sticking plugs into holes.
Also these things aren't connector compatible with my console's onboard TT patchbay. I'd end up with a permanent rat's nest connecting the console's I/O with the automated patchbay dingus.
I prefer a non-permanent rat's nest.
John, The "kids" these days prefer to do everything with their phones and apps. One could argue that Flock's design is catering to what seems most comfortable / sensible to younger generations. If voting could be done by swiping right while waiting in the grocery checkout line, we'd probably see world-changing voter participation by that segment of the population. Punching paper ballots, and likewise sticking plugs into jacks is largely seen as an unnecessary inconvenience in this age of pocket computers and instant digital connectivity. And let's not forget - the jack patchbay well is over 100 years old at this point. Evolution is bound to happen eventually. Also music is mostly being recorded by non-technical people these days. So we are seeing the design of gear and user interface that reflects this new reality. I think increasingly as we go forward, the most successful pro audio products will be those that facilitate artistic convenience rather than technical mastery. Brad Children, by definition, start out in a state of utter ignorance. It is the responsibility of adults to educate them, not to bow to their ignorance.
Nothing wrong with children, but respoinsible people do not allow the ignorant to dominate. It is our responsibility to EDUCATE them, not to bow to their ignorance.
As far as voting is concerned, what you suggest is an open field for hacking elections. It should not be allowed, ever.
Convenience over technical mastery? That's a recipe for terminal suckage.
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 9, 2020 21:22:10 GMT -6
I don't really understand why people these days have such a problem with simply sticking plugs into holes. One reason only - recall. I handle that (recall of patching chains) inside of PT, and hard patch in the TT bay as needed. Recall - sure! That's why god created notebooks. |
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Post by drbill on Jan 9, 2020 22:32:11 GMT -6
One reason only - recall. I handle that (recall of patching chains) inside of PT, and hard patch in the TT bay as needed. Recall - sure! That's why god created notebooks. Yeah, but He did that on day 1 before He created electricity and Pro Tools. By day 7 He figured out instant recall in PT was waaaaaaay better than a notebook.  So....get your notebook out Johnny boy. You can be my second. This is my patch bay before patching inside Pro Tools..... Snappy on it now.... No?? LOL OK then, I think I'll stick with patching inside PT for INSTANT RECALL. No notebooks or killing trees or broken pencil lead. My present day patch bays generally have TWO cables in them and 60-90+ channels of i/o connectivity connected inside PT and routed and normalled where they need to go in the bays - yeah John, that's 240-360 cables for you to hard patch and write down in your notebook. No mistakes or dead patches now.....  |
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Post by drbill on Jan 9, 2020 22:41:11 GMT -6
yeah the recall options is super cool. Plus it gives you the ability to use hardware almost like a plugin. Just try something else, bam click of a mouse. That sounds like it would be pretty fun to have I think. . That's exactly how I use my hardware now. Faster than instantiating plugins. |
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Post by notneeson on Jan 9, 2020 22:58:03 GMT -6
John, The "kids" these days prefer to do everything with their phones and apps. One could argue that Flock's design is catering to what seems most comfortable / sensible to younger generations. If voting could be done by swiping right while waiting in the grocery checkout line, we'd probably see world-changing voter participation by that segment of the population. Punching paper ballots, and likewise sticking plugs into jacks is largely seen as an unnecessary inconvenience in this age of pocket computers and instant digital connectivity. And let's not forget - the jack patchbay well is over 100 years old at this point. Evolution is bound to happen eventually. Also music is mostly being recorded by non-technical people these days. So we are seeing the design of gear and user interface that reflects this new reality. I think increasingly as we go forward, the most successful pro audio products will be those that facilitate artistic convenience rather than technical mastery. Brad Children, by definition, start out in a state of utter ignorance. It is the responsibility of adults to educate them, not to bow to their ignorance.
Nothing wrong with children, but respoinsible people do not allow the ignorant to dominate. It is our responsibility to EDUCATE them, not to bow to their ignorance.
As far as voting is concerned, what you suggest is an open field for hacking elections. It should not be allowed, ever.
Convenience over technical mastery? That's a recipe for terminal suckage.
Actually, speaking as a parent, children have a lot to teach adults. Maybe not about audio though. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 10, 2020 0:46:29 GMT -6
yeah the recall options is super cool. Plus it gives you the ability to use hardware almost like a plugin. Just try something else, bam click of a mouse. That sounds like it would be pretty fun to have I think. . That's exactly how I use my hardware now. Faster than instantiating plugins. For sure. I think your setup is perfectly capable and works fine. But there are several short comings in at least to me that I hope to avoid. Not saying it'll be better because it will just be different. And make me happy with how I'm doing it. But part of that is staying more in the analog domain but automating it as much as possible. A console without the console hassle. Might be not worth it. Not sure. Haha But either way, to me staying in the analog world for more of it will be great. Will also require less io if your just stacking analog to analong. Few other things. I digress though. 1000 ways to skin a cat! |
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One could argue that Flock's design is catering to what seems most comfortable / sensible to younger generations. If voting could be done by swiping right while waiting in the grocery checkout line, we'd probably see world-changing voter participation by that segment of the population. Punching paper ballots, and likewise sticking plugs into jacks is largely seen as an unnecessary inconvenience in this age of pocket computers and instant digital connectivity. And let's not forget - the jack patchbay well is over 100 years old at this point. Evolution is bound to happen eventually.
