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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 7, 2020 17:32:52 GMT -6
Tell me your ideal signal chains. Kick, snare, toms, overheads, bass, guitars, vocals, keys, acoustics, whatever.
Mic - Pre - eq - comp
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Post by nnajar on Jan 8, 2020 11:12:35 GMT -6
the main vocal tracking chain here is Klaus Heyne U67 -> GML -> Magic Death Eye -> prism titan -> HDX
I don't eq on the way in, as I am really happy with software eq, but I rarely need to eq much that I track myself. Pick the mic and the placement and you're in good shape. re vocals, the Klaus 87, Lucas CS1 and 47FET all get used a bit too, but the 67 is used by far the most often.
I'd like about 4 more magic death eyes for various sources (we do a fair amount of full ensemble tracking here, mostly acoustic stuff) but I doubt that will happen. I like this millennia tcl2 in SS mode a lot on bass and acoustic guitar. And vocal also, but the death eye is nicer.
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Post by svart on Jan 8, 2020 11:47:10 GMT -6
Kick - D6 - CAPI312 - converter. Also 8" speaker - CAPI312 - converter. Snare - I5/ATM63HE - 1272 - converter. OH - KM184 - SSL9K - converter. Toms - ATM25 - CAPI312's - converters.
Bass - Countryman DI to converter through whatever available pre. Paralleled with post-pedal effects DI to whatever available pre. Bass - reamp - SVT rig - Lewitt LCT550 - CAPI312 or Bass - AXE FX 3 - clean DI and effected line outs - converters.
Guitar - countryman DI to 9K pre. Parallel with post-pedal effects DI to 9K pre. Guitar - reamp - amp/cab - 57/R121 - CAPI312's. or Guitar - AXE FX 3 - Clean DI and effected line outs - converters.
Vocals - U47 - 1272 - converters.
Acoustic - KM184s or M930s - 1272 - converters.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 8, 2020 12:23:04 GMT -6
Kick - D6 - CAPI312 - converter. Also 8" speaker - CAPI312 - converter. Snare - I5/ATM63HE - 1272 - converter. OH - KM184 - SSL9K - converter. Toms - ATM25 - CAPI312's - converters. Bass - Countryman DI to converter through whatever available pre. Paralleled with post-pedal effects DI to whatever available pre. Bass - reamp - SVT rig - Lewitt LCT550 - CAPI312 or Bass - AXE FX 3 - clean DI and effected line outs - converters. Guitar - countryman DI to 9K pre. Parallel with post-pedal effects DI to 9K pre. Guitar - reamp - amp/cab - 57/R121 - CAPI312's. or Guitar - AXE FX 3 - Clean DI and effected line outs - converters. Vocals - U47 - 1272 - converters. Acoustic - KM184s or M930s - 1272 - converters. No compression or EQ during tracking huh?
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Post by thirdeye on Jan 8, 2020 12:46:47 GMT -6
Kick In – 421 or D6 – Vintech X73i – dbx 160x – SSL Sigma – Lynx Aurora Kick Out – Sub Kick or Stam SA47 Fet – C Labs 7602 – SSL Sigma – Lynx Aurora Snare Top – 57 – Vintech X73i – dbx 160x – SSL Sigma – Lynx Snare Btm – 441 – C Labs 7602 – SSL Sigma – Lynx Hi Hat – Warm WA84 or 451 – Seventh Circle Audio N72 – Lynx Toms x 4 – CAD M179 or 421 – API 3124 – dbx 242 eq – Lynx Ride – 451 or KSM 141 – SCA N72 – Lynx OH Stereo – AEA R88 or Mojave MA200s– SCA N72 – Lynx Crashes – Soyuz SU-013s or KM84s– SCA N72 – Lynx Rooms – 414s or TLM103s, or Fatheads – SCA N72 – dbx 162 or Fatso – Lynx Bass DI – Avalon U5 or Radial JDI or Radial J48 – SCA N72 or API A2D – Distressor or WA76– Lynx Bass Mic – Beta 52 or 421 – SCA N72- Distressor or WA76 – Lynx Upright Bass - Stam SA47 Fet, MA200, U67, KM84 - SCA N72 - Audioscape Opto - Lynx Elec Guitars – 57 and 421, Royer 121 – SCA N72 or API 3124 – Stam SA3A – SSL Sigma – Lynx Acoustic Guitars - KM84, SU-013, WA84, or 451 - SCA N72 - Lynx Horns – Mic Shootout – 121, KSM 353, KSM 313, 441, 421 – SCA N72 Piano – Mojave MA200s, SU-013 or 414 – SCA N72 or ADL 600 – Lynx Keys – Radial JDI Duplex – SCA N72 – Lynx Vocals – Mic Shootout – U67, SM7b, KSM 353, 414, Stam SA47 Fet, Etc.. – ADL 600 – V Comp, Audioscape Opto, Drip LA2A, Audioscape 76A, or Distressor - Lynx
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Post by svart on Jan 8, 2020 13:52:26 GMT -6
Kick - D6 - CAPI312 - converter. Also 8" speaker - CAPI312 - converter. Snare - I5/ATM63HE - 1272 - converter. OH - KM184 - SSL9K - converter. Toms - ATM25 - CAPI312's - converters. Bass - Countryman DI to converter through whatever available pre. Paralleled with post-pedal effects DI to whatever available pre. Bass - reamp - SVT rig - Lewitt LCT550 - CAPI312 or Bass - AXE FX 3 - clean DI and effected line outs - converters. Guitar - countryman DI to 9K pre. Parallel with post-pedal effects DI to 9K pre. Guitar - reamp - amp/cab - 57/R121 - CAPI312's. or Guitar - AXE FX 3 - Clean DI and effected line outs - converters. Vocals - U47 - 1272 - converters. Acoustic - KM184s or M930s - 1272 - converters. No compression or EQ during tracking huh? Nope! Only during mixing. If I'm tracking guitars/bass I'll just EQ the amps or move the mics around to get more or less of what I want.
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Post by nnajar on Jan 8, 2020 17:32:25 GMT -6
for DI guitar, bass, rhodes/wurli etc... I like the fire eye red eye dee eye. Into the GML. like I said before, I'd prefer a death eye for every source but without I'm very happy with the millennia TCL2.
For acoustic guitar I really prefer the schoeps mk22. sometimes I'll use the 67 or the Lucas CS1 or the Klaus 87, sometimes the schoeps mk41 if I need to tighten up the capture, but the mk22 basically lives there.
For upright bass it used to be the 47fet or the mkh80, but the Lucas cs1 is the best. It's a little noisier than the others so if there are no drums on the date I might use something else, but if there are drums, I'll usually use the Lucas. It is amazing.
For drums, depending on the sound I'm looking for it's either re20 or 47fet on bass drum. if there's no head it's re20 and if there's a head it's the 47FET. I prefer the jospehson e22s for snare and toms- I don't own those but my buddy down the street has a bunch I borrow sometimes. I have the THE kr25 that I often use on snare and it's fantastic. I also use the THE omnis on the toms. Schoeps MK41 on overheads. if I want a little more crispness I'll use the TLM107's on OH but it's rare because I'm just so happy with the schoeps up top. If I had a few more Lucas CS1's I'd probably use them on OH. My buddy has one also (we bought the sequential serial #'s at the same time to have a pair between us) and sometimes I leave mine with him- he loves them on OH- and sometimes I borrow his for the same reason.
I never compress drums going in and I rarely compress them in the mix.
The upright bass mic or the acoustic guitar mic usually become a mono room mic and that works really well. For a small, dead room, the things we track here tend to sound huge.
I like RE15's on electric guitar amps whole lot. Sometimes U87.
I don't have a piano so we don't do that here. In other rooms I usually use whatever they have. The last piano I tracked was a great steinway in NJ and I just used his setup which was some hi voltage DPA cardioids and a pair of 87's into the preamps of a Neve bcm10. It sounded terrific.
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Post by subspace on Jan 9, 2020 8:19:10 GMT -6
Lots of tracking for the last two weeks, started off with some 'ideal' tracking preamps set-up, ended up going back to the desk preamps for the live vocal, guitar and bass; Vocal was a 545 > Trimix pre/EQ > 1176-KT > 16A Acoustic/electric DI was a Tube Screamer > Hall of Fame > SansAmp Para Driver > Trimix pre/EQ > FC526 > 16A ( the emphasis being on the electric side of tones) P-Bass was a SansAmp Bass Driver > Trimix pre/EQ > KT-2A > 16A Only loud thing in the room was the Yamaha Maple Customs; Kick in was an e902 > 1073EQ > 16A Kick out was a C414B/ULS in fig-8 > ACMP84 > 16A (these were both in a piano bench/entry carpet tunnel) Snare top was a 545 > 1073EQ > 16A Snare bottom was 57 > Trimix pre/EQ > 16A Tom and Floor were 421 > Trimix pre/EQ > 16A Overheads were Revelations > Audient pre > 16A Room was a mono ACM2 'Fathead' > Audient pre I like the little bit of separation the kick in and snare top preamps provide, as well as the Audient preamps on the brass, but the vocals, guitar and bass hung together much better using the same desk pres.
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Post by nudwig on Jan 9, 2020 19:20:41 GMT -6
It's always changing but for the last record:
Kick - D12e - BAE 1073 or Hamptone JFET - Mr. Focus Royal Blue - converter Snare - 84 - API 512 - Mr. Focus Mass Driver - converter OH - Vanguard v44s - Silver Bullet - converter Bass - ZOD DI - Sta Level - Mr. Focus MD - converter, later reamp Ampeg SVT3 w/ 2 12 cab - D12e - 1081 - converter Ac Guitar - 84 or 49 - Teegarden or 512 - Mr. Focus Pentode 2 - Atomic Squeezebox or IC Brute - converter El Guitar cab - 409 or c37 - BAE, Hamptone, API, 1081 or Silver Bullet - Mass Driver - converter El Guitar room - 84 or c38- Teegarden or 1081 - Pentode 2 or Mass Driver - converter Piano - v44s - 1081s - converter Misc percussion - c37 or 47 - 1081 - converter Vocals - 49 - BAE - Sta Level - Pentode 2, Mass Driver or Royal Blue - converter
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Post by drbill on Jan 9, 2020 19:28:44 GMT -6
It's always changing but for the last record: Kick - D12e - BAE 1073 or Hamptone JFET - Mr. Focus Royal Blue - converter Snare - 84 - API 512 - Mr. Focus Mass Driver - converter OH - Vanguard v44s - Silver Bullet - converter Bass - ZOD DI - Sta Level - Mr. Focus MD - converter, later reamp Ampeg SVT3 w/ 2 12 cab - D12e - 1081 - converter Ac Guitar - 84 or 49 - Teegarden or 512 - Mr. Focus Pentode 2 - Atomic Squeezebox or IC Brute - converter El Guitar cab - 409 or c37 - BAE, Hamptone, API, 1081 or Silver Bullet - Mass Driver - converter El Guitar room - 84 or c38- Teegarden or 1081 - Pentode 2 or Mass Driver - converter Piano - v44s - 1081s - converter Misc percussion - c37 or 47 - 1081 - converter Vocals - 49 - BAE - Sta Level - Pentode 2, Mass Driver or Royal Blue - converter Nice gear / chain nudwig!!! Love seeing the heavy use of Mr. Focus modules and the Silver Bullet all over!!! I'm still waiting for a good chance to use the Vanguard V44 on OH's. Can't wait. My chain will be the same as yours on OH.
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Post by notneeson on Jan 9, 2020 19:32:08 GMT -6
Two observations:
1. The killer chain you (or at lest I) plan out for a given source the night before the session sometimes doesn’t work out in real life for various reasons.
2. I use more EQ on the way in when I track on a (really nice) console than when using all outboard.
Great results either way though.
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Post by nudwig on Jan 9, 2020 21:07:37 GMT -6
Nice gear / chain nudwig!!! Love seeing the heavy use of Mr. Focus modules and the Silver Bullet all over!!! I'm still waiting for a good chance to use the Vanguard V44 on OH's. Can't wait. My chain will be the same as yours on OH. Thanks drbill (and Brad as every track went through something from LTL at least once). I keep ranting to everyone how awesome the Mr. Focus modules are, as you know in addition to the nice sauce they add using that little bit of tilt on the way in requires so much less eq later. I'm also constantly impressed with the v44s, hangs tonally with all the old mics and is perfect with the Silver Bullet. It wasn't appropriate for this record but it's really awesome adding the smash comps after the v44s-SB on OH's, what a sound!
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Post by drbill on Jan 9, 2020 22:26:09 GMT -6
Nice gear / chain nudwig!!! Love seeing the heavy use of Mr. Focus modules and the Silver Bullet all over!!! I'm still waiting for a good chance to use the Vanguard V44 on OH's. Can't wait. My chain will be the same as yours on OH. Thanks drbill (and Brad as every track went through something from LTL at least once). I keep ranting to everyone how awesome the Mr. Focus modules are, as you know in addition to the nice sauce they add using that little bit of tilt on the way in requires so much less eq later. I'm also constantly impressed with the v44s, hangs tonally with all the old mics and is perfect with the Silver Bullet. It wasn't appropriate for this record but it's really awesome adding the smash comps after the v44s-SB on OH's, what a sound! Ha! Yeah the Mr. Focus modules are so far under the radar that they are uber-stealth-mega bombers. They totally KILL!! Great for taking good/great gear and making them great/spectacular. Love tilt...er....I mean Focus.
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Post by drbill on Jan 9, 2020 22:26:43 GMT -6
Cant wait to use the 44's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by woofhead on Jan 9, 2020 22:34:24 GMT -6
I like how you built the drum tunnel. Ive never seen it with a heavy rubber mat but I'm going to try this.Seems like the rubber would be less absortive than a blanket which I think would be better most of the time Lots of tracking for the last two weeks, started off with some 'ideal' tracking preamps set-up, ended up going back to the desk preamps for the live vocal, guitar and bass; Vocal was a 545 > Trimix pre/EQ > 1176-KT > 16A Acoustic/electric DI was a Tube Screamer > Hall of Fame > SansAmp Para Driver > Trimix pre/EQ > FC526 > 16A ( the emphasis being on the electric side of tones) P-Bass was a SansAmp Bass Driver > Trimix pre/EQ > KT-2A > 16A Only loud thing in the room was the Yamaha Maple Customs; Kick in was an e902 > 1073EQ > 16A Kick out was a C414B/ULS in fig-8 > ACMP84 > 16A (these were both in a piano bench/entry carpet tunnel) Snare top was a 545 > 1073EQ > 16A Snare bottom was 57 > Trimix pre/EQ > 16A Tom and Floor were 421 > Trimix pre/EQ > 16A Overheads were Revelations > Audient pre > 16A Room was a mono ACM2 'Fathead' > Audient pre I like the little bit of separation the kick in and snare top preamps provide, as well as the Audient preamps on the brass, but the vocals, guitar and bass hung together much better using the same desk pres.
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Post by subspace on Jan 10, 2020 0:02:19 GMT -6
I like how you built the drum tunnel. Ive never seen it with a heavy rubber mat but I'm going to try this.Seems like the rubber would be less absortive than a blanket which I think would be better most of the time Yes, no hf absorbtion on the interior rubber side, more like using an additional shell to extend the kick but without the additional shell resonance that adds.
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Post by nudwig on Jan 10, 2020 11:35:04 GMT -6
Cant wait to use the 44's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yet another thing I learned of via RGO that is awesome yet likely would've passed over had Vanguard not been vouched for here.
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Post by chessparov on Jan 11, 2020 17:43:58 GMT -6
Pretty simple here. For vocal tracking if/when it ever becomes ju$tifiable... Vocal mic> either Silver Bullet (for vibe) and/or Little Labs LMNOpre (super clean). I'd want BOTH BTW! Additional microphones for the "locker"... Heiserman H47 tube/Tonelux JC37/Soundelux U99/Chandler REDD & TG/FLEA 12/AA CM800T (for getting down with my homies! ). AEA 44/Sontronics Sigma 2/Coles 4038/Samar AL-95 for ribbons. M88TG/M 201TG/441 for dynamics. And access to the great sounding room, to have these microphones really shine! Chris P.S. What interesting is that even though my U195 and the U99 share the identical capsule, they sound "different enough", to warrant the U99. Soyuz Bomblet is also a temptation. I dig that kind of "chocolate-ly goodness!)
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Post by chessparov on Jan 11, 2020 17:49:21 GMT -6
Lots of tracking for the last two weeks, started off with some 'ideal' tracking preamps set-up, ended up going back to the desk preamps for the live vocal, guitar and bass; Vocal was a 545 > Trimix pre/EQ > 1176-KT > 16A Acoustic/electric DI was a Tube Screamer > Hall of Fame > SansAmp Para Driver > Trimix pre/EQ > FC526 > 16A ( the emphasis being on the electric side of tones) P-Bass was a SansAmp Bass Driver > Trimix pre/EQ > KT-2A > 16A Only loud thing in the room was the Yamaha Maple Customs; Kick in was an e902 > 1073EQ > 16A Kick out was a C414B/ULS in fig-8 > ACMP84 > 16A (these were both in a piano bench/entry carpet tunnel) Snare top was a 545 > 1073EQ > 16A Snare bottom was 57 > Trimix pre/EQ > 16A Tom and Floor were 421 > Trimix pre/EQ > 16A Overheads were Revelations > Audient pre > 16A Room was a mono ACM2 'Fathead' > Audient pre I like the little bit of separation the kick in and snare top preamps provide, as well as the Audient preamps on the brass, but the vocals, guitar and bass hung together much better using the same desk pres. Put a bed instead, in front of that drum kit and instant... Jack White's (or Kevin Parker's/Tame Impala) bedroom! Chris
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Post by Chad on Jan 11, 2020 19:38:01 GMT -6
Kick In – 421 or D6 – Vintech X73i – dbx 160x – SSL Sigma – Lynx Aurora Kick Out – Sub Kick or Stam SA47 Fet – C Labs 7602 – SSL Sigma – Lynx Aurora Snare Top – 57 – Vintech X73i – dbx 160x – SSL Sigma – Lynx Snare Btm – 441 – C Labs 7602 – SSL Sigma – Lynx Hi Hat – Warm WA84 or 451 – Seventh Circle Audio N72 – Lynx Toms x 4 – CAD M179 or 421 – API 3124 – dbx 242 eq – Lynx Ride – 451 or KSM 141 – SCA N72 – Lynx OH Stereo – AEA R88 or Mojave MA200s– SCA N72 – Lynx Crashes – Soyuz SU-013s or KM84s– SCA N72 – Lynx Rooms – 414s or TLM103s, or Fatheads – SCA N72 – dbx 162 or Fatso – Lynx Bass DI – Avalon U5 or Radial JDI or Radial J48 – SCA N72 or API A2D – Distressor or WA76– Lynx Bass Mic – Beta 52 or 421 – SCA N72- Distressor or WA76 – Lynx Upright Bass - Stam SA47 Fet, MA200, U67, KM84 - SCA N72 - Audioscape Opto - Lynx Elec Guitars – 57 and 421, Royer 121 – SCA N72 or API 3124 – Stam SA3A – SSL Sigma – Lynx Acoustic Guitars - KM84, SU-013, WA84, or 451 - SCA N72 - Lynx Horns – Mic Shootout – 121, KSM 353, KSM 313, 441, 421 – SCA N72 Piano – Mojave MA200s, SU-013 or 414 – SCA N72 or ADL 600 – Lynx Keys – Radial JDI Duplex – SCA N72 – Lynx Vocals – Mic Shootout – U67, SM7b, KSM 353, 414, Stam SA47 Fet, Etc.. – ADL 600 – V Comp, Audioscape Opto, Drip LA2A, Audioscape 76A, or Distressor - Lynx I love how specific and organized this list is. Thank you!
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Post by saltyjames on Jan 14, 2020 22:21:28 GMT -6
Vocal tracking Flea48 / u87 / u67 / R44, API or BAE 1073 pre, La2 Vocal mix Mohog La3, Mohog 1176
AG KM84 / Cascade Fathead, Audioscape SSL Comp / 10DCF
Piano 414eb / u87 / u67, API pre, ELOP / 10DCF
Drums Overheads - KM84 only anymore, API pre , no comp in tracking maybe symetrix 501 at mix.
K - R44, BAE 1073, 10DCF Sn - KM84 1073, 10DCF
10DCF’s are insane! Such a great sound. KM 84’s also. I tracked a lot with the KM84’s and the u67ri and there really is zero difference in the sound on acoustic guitar if the 67 is in cardioid.
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Post by forgotteng on Feb 17, 2022 14:41:48 GMT -6
Fun Thread. Here we go.
Kick In EV ND 868 - CAPI VP25 - Square One Solid State bOne - DBX 903 Kick Out Vanguard V4 - Capi VP25 - Snare Top Dyn Heil PR22- CAPI VP25 - DBX 905 - DBX 903 Snare Top Cond Advanced Audio CM54 - CAPI VP25 - Grahamtec 1176A Snare Bottom Left Audio Technica PRO37 - CAPI VP25 Snare Bottom Right Audio Technica PRO37 - CAPI VP25 Tom 1 Top Blue Hummingbird - CAPI VP26 Tom 1 Bottom Audio Technica AT4033 - TLAudio 5001 Tom 2 Top Blue Hummingbird - CAPI VP26 Tom 2 Bottom Audio Technica AT4033 - TLAudio 5001 Tom 3 Top Blue Hummingbird - CAPI VP26 Tom 3 Bottom Lewitt LCT240 - TLAudio 5001 Tom 4 Top Blue Hummingbird - CAPI VP26 Tom 4 Bottom Lewitt LCT240 - TLAudio 5001 Overhead Left Charter Oaks S600 - CAPI VP25 - Vintech CA609 Overhead Right Charter Oaks S600 - CAPI VP25 - Vintech CA609 Overhead Mono Rode K2 - TLAudio 5001 - Dizengoff D864 Bass DI Radial JDI - STAM 1073MPA Bass Cab Sennheiser MD421 - Stam 1073MPA Guitar AMP 1 SE VR1 - Meris440 Guitar AMP 2 Groove Tubes Velo8 - Meris440 Grand Piano 1 Advanced Audio CM12 - Meris440 Grand Piano 2 Advanced Audio CM12 - Meris440 Acoustic 1 Advanced Audio CM28 - Stam 1073MPA - Vintech CA609 Acoustic 2 Advanced Audio CM28 - Stam 1073MPA - Vintech CA609 Scratch Vocals Heil PR30 Stam 1073EQ - Stam SA-2A Final Vocals Advanced Audio CM12 - Stam 1073EQ - Stam SA-2A
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Post by indiehouse on Feb 25, 2022 20:49:24 GMT -6
I've been tracking a Fender '63 P bass reissue through a Zod DI -> Coil CA70 -> Highland Dynamics BG2.
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Post by christophert on Feb 25, 2022 21:47:49 GMT -6
I've been tracking a Fender '63 P bass reissue through a Zod DI -> Coil CA70 -> Highland Dynamics BG2. Its my favorite bass chain of late
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Post by nomatic on Feb 26, 2022 6:41:13 GMT -6
Of course the chain varies from artist and track to taste but here are some defaults... OH: Tul V2, Bova ball or Stager SR 2N - Teegarden Audio Magic pre - JCF AD-8 Kick In: Sennheiser E602 or Milab BDM 201 - Capi LC 25 - Empress 519 comp - Teegarden Audio Magic pre - JCF AD-8 Kick Out: Tul F47 Teegarden Audio Magic pre - JCF AD-8 Snare Top: Tul SN2 - Capi LC 25 - Empress 519 comp - Teegarden Audio Magic pre - JCF AD-8 Snare BTM: Teegarden Audio PPC-125 or Beta 57 Teegarden Audio Magic pre - JCF AD-8 Toms: Teegarden Audio PPC-125 - Iron Age LH 95 EQ - Teegarden Audio Magic pre - JCF AD-8 Drum Room: Flea 49s (Omni) - Sage Electronics Diode Bridge Comp - JCF AD-8 Bass: Teegarden Audio Fatboy rack DI - Audioscape EQP-A,Audioscape Opto - JCF AD-8 Bass Amp: Tyler Amps Fliptop - Tul F47 JCF AD-8 E Guitar: Tul G12 - Audioscape Opto - JCF AD-8 Acoustic Guitar: Teegarden Audio PPC-125 or KM84 - Teegarden Audio Magic pre - JCF AD-8 Vocals: 47 Clone or Crowley & Tripp Studio Vocalist or Tul F47 or Ronan Thunderbird - Hendyamps Channel Strip or Legendary Audio Gold Channel - Audioscape, EQP-A,Audioscape Opto - JCF AD-8 For Vocals I am also messing with a new JCF preamp and Vactrol Comp that is sick!
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