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Post by indiehouse on Jan 5, 2020 15:37:14 GMT -6
This is probably a thread already. What is the most transparent vocal tuning software? I’ve got Melodyne 3. Anything better than thats worth the trouble to switch?
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Post by seawell on Jan 5, 2020 16:00:53 GMT -6
Auto tune in graphical mode. Make cuts and move sections up or down to be in tune. Don’t draw any lines or do notes if you can help it. It takes time but that is the most transparent way to me 👍🏻
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 5, 2020 16:05:16 GMT -6
This is probably a thread already. What is the most transparent vocal tuning software? I’ve got Melodyne 3. Anything better than thats worth the trouble to switch? I still think Melodyne is the most transparent. |
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jan 5, 2020 16:07:03 GMT -6
I think Melodyne is still the best if you are really good at using it to its full potential.
It amazes me how much I can hear the tuning on vocals coming out of Nashville these days. Almost like they don’t want it to sound natural or something. Just awful. If you know what you’re doing and take your time, you can make it sound natural.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 5, 2020 16:18:47 GMT -6
Do you think Melodyne does something weird to the top end?
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 5, 2020 16:24:03 GMT -6
Also, does Melodyne 4 bring anything substantial over 3?
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Post by wiz on Jan 5, 2020 16:30:11 GMT -6
Do you think Melodyne does something weird to the top end? The earlier incarnations had this very problem, and I remember talking to them about it. The latest version, doesn't seem to have a negative effect.. Cheers Wiz |
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Post by mike on Jan 5, 2020 16:32:08 GMT -6
I have both Melodyne and Autotune, and from a sonics POV while I think it's subjective and not a big difference, I've always thought when I've compared both that autotune sounded slightly more scooped Eq wise and melodyne sounded slightly more midrange to me before eq-ing either,....and I'd typically prefer the Autotune sonics solo'd but prefer the Melodyne in the mix before Eqing either to taste. FWIW
You can always download a trial to compare how it strikes you. It seems like for many it's a Ford vs Chevy thing between the two with some unquestionably loyal to each.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 5, 2020 16:38:03 GMT -6
Melodyne is the most transparent. Make sure you have the top tier version though that is Polyphonic. Makes a difference. Plus being able to tune a wrong note in a chord is always nice to have.
Autotune is better for a more effect type sound.
Really though depends on the genre of stuff you're doing too I think.
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Post by M57 on Jan 5, 2020 16:42:23 GMT -6
This is only slightly OT. As much as I'd love to have Melodyne (it does seem to be king at least where features are concerned). I have to admit that for my purposes, the stock flex-pitch analyzer and feature set that comes with Logic does everything I need. I pretty much only record myself and have the luxury of having as many takes as I want. So really all I ever need to do is move a note 5 or 10 cents, and maybe adjust some resulting pitch drift on the edges. It's pretty basic but does the job and sounds pretty transparent to me. Also, what I really like about it is how seamlessly I can move from a pitch manipulation mode to their array of flex-time options. In fact, I wonder that if I had Melodyne I wouldn't use it that much. Having the tuning software 'built-in' to the DAW just makes it that much easier.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 5, 2020 18:14:49 GMT -6
I have Melodyne Studio 3. They keep trying to get me to upgrade to 4 for $49. Just wondering if they improved the algorithm or just added more features.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 5, 2020 19:22:04 GMT -6
I think Melodyne is still the best if you are really good at using it to its full potential. It amazes me how much I can hear the tuning on vocals coming out of Nashville these days. Almost like they don’t want it to sound natural or something. Just awful. If you know what you’re doing and take your time, you can make it sound natural. Agreed. I’ve used Melodyne for a number of years on various projects and I don’t think anyone can hear it. I also work with a lot of pros, so the vocals are usually pretty good from the start and all I’m really doing is polishing. |
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Post by chessparov on Jan 5, 2020 19:22:43 GMT -6
This is only slightly OT. As much as I'd love to have Melodyne (it does seem to be king at least where features are concerned). I have to admit that for my purposes, the stock flex-pitch analyzer and feature set that comes with Logic does everything I need. I pretty much only record myself and have the luxury of having as many takes as I want. So really all I ever need to do is move a note 5 or 10 cents, and maybe adjust some resulting pitch drift on the edges. It's pretty basic but does the job and sounds pretty transparent to me. Also, what I really like about it is how seamlessly I can move from a pitch manipulation mode to their array of flex-time options. In fact, I wonder that if I had Melodyne I wouldn't use it that much. Having the tuning software 'built-in' to the DAW just makes it that much easier. This is what my friend Don used (Logic stock flex-pitch), when we recorded my vocal parts for a "fun single" (song that is!  ). My vocal for the first verse (5 total!) was .1% +- "on tune", without any tuning. Except for a "speech habit" in saying/singing "care"... We thought we were "home free". But then the issue, particularly in the 2nd through 4th verses... Was that the high tessitura (real Tenor key) of the song, started catching up with me. So we made the decision for to "go for it" on the performance, and care a bit less about being 99.9% accurate pitch-wise. And ended up doing some small percentage tuning in about 5 or 6 small spots, IIRC. We figured it was a positive trade off, as I could have sung the whole song totally in key instead, but I would be putting so much conscious attention on breath management etc... That it would "zombify"  the song too much! Great learning experience for me, and helped me learn the pragmatism of Tuning in certain situations... Chris |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jan 5, 2020 19:57:05 GMT -6
I have Melodyne 3 and bought the UA Autotune over the holiday but haven't dug into it at all. I really like Revoice Pro and I use it 100% of the time now, but the whole UI is very clunky and exporting your tracks is a beating. But, it's awesome at generating doubles and stereo vocals which can help you do less tuning depending on the material, IMO. Anyway, worth checking out. Any of the above take some concentration and effort to get right, for sure.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jan 5, 2020 20:26:12 GMT -6
I've heard good things about ReVoice-Pro for an edited approach. For quickie work on horns or backgrounds, Waves Real-Time is the best I've tried.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 5, 2020 22:38:32 GMT -6
I think Melodyne is still the best if you are really good at using it to its full potential. It amazes me how much I can hear the tuning on vocals coming out of Nashville these days. Almost like they don’t want it to sound natural or something. Just awful. If you know what you’re doing and take your time, you can make it sound natural. The worse the singer the harder it is to hide it. Most of the “songs” coming out of Nashville are one note rappy in the verse then jumps up to warble screaming in the chorus. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 5, 2020 22:40:32 GMT -6
I think Melodyne is still the best if you are really good at using it to its full potential. It amazes me how much I can hear the tuning on vocals coming out of Nashville these days. Almost like they don’t want it to sound natural or something. Just awful. If you know what you’re doing and take your time, you can make it sound natural. Agreed. I’ve used Melodyne for a number of years on various projects and I don’t think anyone can hear it. I also work with a lot of pros, so the vocals are usually pretty good from the start and all I’m really doing is polishing. Yeah - when you’re just locking things into the lanes and not moving the formant, it is the king. |
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Post by ericn on Jan 6, 2020 10:28:08 GMT -6
The biggest problems with all of the pitch shift programs are first; there is as much demand for the auto tune effect as there is for transparency, so if you write code that works your pissing off 1/2 your customers!
Second is over use back in the day it was almost as hard to dial it in note by note as it is to re track it. Now it’s just to easy.
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Post by mcirish on Jan 6, 2020 10:38:58 GMT -6
I use variaudio that is part of Nuendo. With the latest feature updates in Nuendo/Cubase 10, I don't feel a need to look for anything else. It's worked great. The only drawback is you have to be using Nuendo/Cubase to use it. That's not a problem for me obviously, but a DAW switch is a pretty big move for someone.
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Post by mrholmes on Jan 6, 2020 18:39:32 GMT -6
This is only slightly OT. As much as I'd love to have Melodyne (it does seem to be king at least where features are concerned). I have to admit that for my purposes, the stock flex-pitch analyzer and feature set that comes with Logic does everything I need. I pretty much only record myself and have the luxury of having as many takes as I want. So really all I ever need to do is move a note 5 or 10 cents, and maybe adjust some resulting pitch drift on the edges. It's pretty basic but does the job and sounds pretty transparent to me. Also, what I really like about it is how seamlessly I can move from a pitch manipulation mode to their array of flex-time options. In fact, I wonder that if I had Melodyne I wouldn't use it that much. Having the tuning software 'built-in' to the DAW just makes it that much easier. May a bird told me that inside Logic works a part of Melodyne... The same bird told me that the EXS24 strings are a part of the Vienna library.... |
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Post by EmRR on Jan 6, 2020 22:02:30 GMT -6
Auto tune in graphical mode. Make cuts and move sections up or down to be in tune. Don’t draw any lines or do notes if you can help it. It takes time but that is the most transparent way to me 👍🏻 That sounds like what's in Digital Performer, which I am generally happy with. Haven't felt the need to look outside. |
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Post by tkaitkai on Jan 7, 2020 19:23:49 GMT -6
Melodyne by far.
I’ve used Flex Pitch, Waves Tune, Auto Tune, and ReaTune. They all get the job done and more or less sound the same, maybe some minor differences. That said, Melodyne’s workflow is unparalleled. Any top end artifacts that occur as a result are a trade-off I’m willing to accept. They’re really not that bad unless you get really heavy-handed.
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Post by aremos on Jan 7, 2020 23:16:11 GMT -6
As someone said, Auto Tune in Graphic mode - as transparent as you want it to (make it) be.
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Post by donr on Jan 8, 2020 0:52:06 GMT -6
I agree that the pitch tools inside Digital Performer are great. Great results to my ear is fixing any glaring pitch problem in DP, while running Autotune 8 at a mild unobtrusive setting. I never just quantize a pitch, always listen by ear for how much correction is needed to sound 'right.' The less you ask Autotune to do, the more natural it sounds, to me anyway. But you still see the 'tuning' bar in the Autotune window working a bit left and right, smoothing the vocal. It's the way singers are expected to sound, these days. But if I can hear the Autotune in a song, I still don't like it.
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Post by ericn on Jan 8, 2020 9:34:34 GMT -6
I agree that the pitch tools inside Digital Performer are great. Great results to my ear is fixing any glaring pitch problem in DP, while running Autotune 8 at a mild unobtrusive setting. I never just quantize a pitch, always listen by ear for how much correction is needed to sound 'right.' The less you ask Autotune to do, the more natural it sounds, to me anyway. But you still see the 'tuning' bar in the Autotune window working a bit left and right, smoothing the vocal. It's the way singers are expected to sound, these days. But if I can hear the Autotune in a song, I still don't like it. Hey Don When I saw you had posted in this thread what came to mind even before reading was that as vocalist has to know their range and limitations. No offense my friend it’s not like you have the biggest range, but every time I have seen you live after all these years you still nail it. Hell I have had guys standing next to me swear it’s recorded, I just say “ trust me, nothing is prerecorded and smile.” |
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