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Post by yotonic on Dec 13, 2019 21:03:14 GMT -6
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Post by EmRR on Dec 14, 2019 6:46:51 GMT -6
Ugh bastards
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Post by Tbone81 on Dec 14, 2019 12:30:02 GMT -6
Goddamn animals (que drum roll)
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Post by drbill on Dec 14, 2019 16:25:46 GMT -6
I'm glad someone put this up. Thanks yotonic !! I was going to do it then I got distracted.  . Even if your main gig is not music for media, we need to stand together on these types of issues, because sooner or later, they affect ALL of us. If Networks & Streamers get away with this, it will only be a short matter of time before "radio" style streamers try something similar. Stand together!!! We're not the only ones getting killed. Another glimpse on where Discovery et al are headed.... Quality creative content headed towards extinction? deadline.com/2019/06/discovery-puts-squeeze-on-unscripted-producers-new-series-financing-mechanism-1202638379/BTW, there was more bad news in addition to this yesterday as well.....Composers have always been on a "work for hire" basis, but now, with no additional up front royalties, the tech companies want to strip away the PRO based incomes from those who write music for media - the very income stream that has made writing music for picture viable. A very, VERY ugly situation.... www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/tv-film-composers-say-netflix-streaming-services-insist-buying-music-rights-1261940If these money grabs raise your ire.....Consider joining to help fight this madness..... This is going to be a huge battleground. Since I signed up a couple days ago, two THOUSAND musicians / writers have signed on. That's huge IMO. yourmusicyourfuture.com |
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Post by Tbone81 on Dec 14, 2019 16:55:10 GMT -6
Signed. Thx Dr Bill
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Post by svart on Dec 16, 2019 9:40:58 GMT -6
And yet, there will still be thousands of artists foaming at the mouths to fill the vacancies left.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Dec 16, 2019 16:07:31 GMT -6
There is a company based in Canada that is now sending out blasts to get songs. They want 5 years exclusive use and are paying 2k Canadian for both writing and publishing combined. It’s insane... I just ignore them at this point but you know damn sure they are getting bottom feeders to jump at the chance. Just crazy....
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Post by yotonic on Dec 16, 2019 16:32:33 GMT -6
I really wish I could crack the code on this. It blows my mind that Youtube and Spotify are getting filthy rich off of giving away someone else's intellectual property. If it was happening with Pro Tools, or a Disney movie they would be litigated to death. Somehow these crazy outdated copyright laws need to be obsoleted, or Musicians need to start releasing their work as "software" with added functionality embedded in every release. I have never seen a class of trades people so exploited short of seamstresses, and ditch diggers.
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Post by drbill on Dec 17, 2019 17:05:12 GMT -6
There is a company based in Canada that is now sending out blasts to get songs. They want 5 years exclusive use and are paying 2k Canadian for both writing and publishing combined. It’s insane... I just ignore them at this point but you know damn sure they are getting bottom feeders to jump at the chance. Just crazy.... Actually.....$2k for a song is extreme high end these days. And 5 years is a LOT better than perpetuity. Many deals are $0 up front, 100% writers, and 0% publishers - in perpetuity. The deal you cited is a hell of a lot better as most songs will not collect $2k in royalties over 5 years. But yeah, it's crazy, crazy times. I'm about to have 10 years of a catalog - maybe 1000 + titles given to Discovery for FREE by one of my publishers so they can preserve some of their income - at my expense. Believe me, to say I'm not happy about it is an understatement. |
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Post by jeremygillespie on Dec 17, 2019 18:27:47 GMT -6
There is a company based in Canada that is now sending out blasts to get songs. They want 5 years exclusive use and are paying 2k Canadian for both writing and publishing combined. It’s insane... I just ignore them at this point but you know damn sure they are getting bottom feeders to jump at the chance. Just crazy.... Actually.....$2k for a song is extreme high end these days. And 5 years is a LOT better than perpetuity. Many deals are $0 up front, 100% writers, and 0% publishers - in perpetuity. The deal you cited is a hell of a lot better as most songs will not collect $2k in royalties over 5 years. But yeah, it's crazy, crazy times. I'm about to have 10 years of a catalog - maybe 1000 + titles given to Discovery for FREE by one of my publishers so they can preserve some of their income - at my expense. Believe me, to say I'm not happy about it is an understatement. Man... that’s just insanely brutal. Sorry to hear it man. |
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Post by drbill on Dec 17, 2019 18:36:03 GMT -6
Actually.....$2k for a song is extreme high end these days. And 5 years is a LOT better than perpetuity. Many deals are $0 up front, 100% writers, and 0% publishers - in perpetuity. The deal you cited is a hell of a lot better as most songs will not collect $2k in royalties over 5 years. But yeah, it's crazy, crazy times. I'm about to have 10 years of a catalog - maybe 1000 + titles given to Discovery for FREE by one of my publishers so they can preserve some of their income - at my expense. Believe me, to say I'm not happy about it is an understatement. Man... that’s just insanely brutal. Sorry to hear it man. Well...I'M not taking those deals, but they are all over the place. And it does play into the marketplace and it all matriculates out so that all the deals are sub par compared to the past. It's getting REALLY rough to survive and flourish as a writer. I've been transitioning over to writing only since the early 90's and have been doing it full time since the early 00's, but who knows how this Discovery thing is gonna shake out. I'm going to get as much as I can as fast as I can and try to retire. Let the young bucks figure out how to change the world back to a better place.... |
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Post by saltyjames on Dec 24, 2019 16:45:55 GMT -6
"back to a better place"?
The world is entirely corrupt. Top to bottom, corner to corner.
TV is dying.
Which is ok. It is a cesspool of ignorance.
I have literally not had a tv in my house since childhood. Still peep's IP should be safe from theft. This is ridiculous!
It's sad and funny. The situation could be fixed, but artists and labels would have to stick together and support one another. LABEL: "You make the song, I'll put it in the market place and sell it and defend it's marketable status." The laws are there to defend it, we don't need more laws!
The exact same thing will happen to video / film.. but it will take another 10+ years, but it will happen.
This didn't happen in a vacuum.
A prime reason is that artists, as a voice, cannot be controlled and told to speak a party / societal line. Many just remain silent which is not enough for Satan. He wants commitments. And so.. their rights are entirely sidelined. And this is done wholesale while the senate and powers that be just watch and turn a deaf ear. Most artists I know are free thinkers. They aren't Rep vs Dem robots. They are free thinkers, and the entire modern world, including Silicone Valley hates that.
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Post by drbill on Dec 25, 2019 0:03:49 GMT -6
Actually, Discovery made close to 5 Billion last year. A far cry from "dying". Up 64% over the previous year. Which is why their lame plan to cut composers out of their rightful earnings is so discouraging. Free market capitalism is turning towards the uglier greedier side of things.... |
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Post by saltyjames on Dec 25, 2019 0:26:33 GMT -6
Yet it is still a “free market”.
Groups of musicians could band together and hire a few lawyers to fight for their fair and legal share.
Versus, ya know, like a state controlled communist market. Where private interest is usually the first thing removed from the courts.
The whole thing is dishonest. But still legally repairable.
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Post by drbill on Dec 25, 2019 12:35:58 GMT -6
Groups of musicians could band together and hire a few lawyers to fight for their fair and legal share. Yes. This is true. But I'm afraid musicians vs. tech is akin to David vs. Goliath without God being on David's side..... |
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Post by drbill on Jan 23, 2020 23:28:33 GMT -6
Chalk one up for Musicians v. Discovery. Every once in awhile we GOTTA win one..... I am truly laying on the ground in disbelief. This one means thousands, maybe 10's of thousands for me.... Unbelievable. I am so proud of musicians for finally standing up to big Tech.
"From the PMA:
Dear Creative Community,
Some very good news. We have been informed today by Discovery Networks that in regard to performance rights, Discovery has decided that their US channels will remain operating as is under the traditional PRO performing rights model. The PMA would like to personally thank Shawn White and everyone at Discovery for this decision. We greatly appreciate this and look forward as a community to working together with Discovery to provide their programming with the best quality music possible.
If anyone has any questions, please email them to Morgan McKnight, Executive Director of the Production Music Association, who will collate them so we can get responses from Discovery and get back to you. Morgan's email is morgan@xxxxxxxx.xxx.
Thank you very much."
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 24, 2020 14:09:49 GMT -6
Yet it is still a “free market”. Groups of musicians could band together and hire a few lawyers to fight for their fair and legal share. Versus, ya know, like a state controlled communist market. Where private interest is usually the first thing removed from the courts. The whole thing is dishonest. But still legally repairable. Artists can't afford the kind of legal stable that a major corporation can. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 23:00:05 GMT -6
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. Even if your main gig is not music for media, we need to stand together on these types of issues, because sooner or later, they affect ALL of us. If Networks & Streamers get away with this, it will only be a short matter of time before "radio" style streamers try something similar. Stand together!!!
