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Post by johneppstein on Nov 11, 2019 14:08:45 GMT -6
Well IMHO as a (hopefully) intelligent layperson... It'd be an interesting experiment for, to anyone here starting to learn how to mix, to make some initial mixes. Then go back some time later, after improving their skils, and do another remix. Then compare the two, and have them evaluated by someone competent to do so. I wouldn't be surprised that if now and then, someone who has a boatload of natural talent, exceeds typical expectations. Another important factor IMHO would be the style of music. Hey, maybe I'll visit Spector for some Wall Of Sound hints! Chris Well, I can give you a hint or two. You need a major studio with a big room that was designed for orchestras, you need a great arranger if you're not one yourself and you need maybe 20 or so top studio musicians. And a pistol.
It also helps to be a genius.
But you could have learned that anywhere....
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Nov 11, 2019 15:17:13 GMT -6
I think presets are getting confused with templates. Templates are simply about organization so you don't need to waste time searching for stuff.
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Post by sean on Nov 11, 2019 16:31:12 GMT -6
Yeah, there’s nothing wrong with a template and plenty of mixer do use them. Mine for example doesn’t have actually EQ or compression settings, but if someone sends me something that I didn’t track I open up my templete, fly the files in and drop them in the corresponding tracks. That way the drums are going to drum bass, there’s a trim plugin to check phase, along with a FabFilter Pro-Q (flat) because that’s pretty much all I use these days, and few sends with reverbs and effects I like (a plate, a spring, a slap back, and a stereo delay, chorus, a pitch change c type sound)...and a bunch of other stuff depending on where I’m working. I usually come back to same pieces on certain sources so why not have that set up as a starting point
That’s sort of like saying that even though you know you like a certain microphone for vocals, instead of setting it up before hand you wait until the client arrives, pull out half a dozen microphone, listen to them all, and then of course use the one you knew you were going with all along.
I know I like plate reverb. I’m going to use it on pretty much every song and every genre. I’ve got that ready to go.
I know I’m going to get tracks that are out of phase. I have a trim plug in on every channel.
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Post by chessparov on Nov 11, 2019 18:21:10 GMT -6
Well IMHO as a (hopefully) intelligent layperson... It'd be an interesting experiment for, to anyone here starting to learn how to mix, to make some initial mixes. Then go back some time later, after improving their skils, and do another remix. Then compare the two, and have them evaluated by someone competent to do so. I wouldn't be surprised that if now and then, someone who has a boatload of natural talent, exceeds typical expectations. Another important factor IMHO would be the style of music. Hey, maybe I'll visit Spector for some Wall Of Sound hints! Chris Well, I can give you a hint or two. You need a major studio with a big room that was designed for orchestras, you need a great arranger if you're not one yourself and you need maybe 20 or so top studio musicians. And a pistol.
It also helps to be a genius.
But you could have learned that anywhere....
Sounds easy! LOL! I have enough trouble just self recording. Let alone becoming the next Lord Algae, by watching enough YouTube videos 24/7. I'm going off to make some beats and raps now, for my homies. Word!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 11, 2019 19:46:24 GMT -6
Those young engineers are not yet ready to mix serious projects. It's like children doing "paint by numbers" in a coloring book having the utter presumptuousness to try to exhibit their work in a major gallery. It's ridiculous. You have to learn to walk before you can run. What you're promoting is the equivalent of saying that people should be happy using a motorized wheelchair and be done with it. Maybe you're ready to exhibit your work on the wall in kindergarden where all the mommies and daddys can praise the scribblings of their offspring.. You are neither ready nor qualified to inflict you product on the real world. Read this back to yourself and reflect.
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Post by drbill on Nov 11, 2019 23:23:07 GMT -6
Well IMHO as a (hopefully) intelligent layperson... It'd be an interesting experiment for, to anyone here starting to learn how to mix, to make some initial mixes. Then go back some time later, after improving their skils, and do another remix. Then compare the two, and have them evaluated by someone competent to do so. I wouldn't be surprised that if now and then, someone who has a boatload of natural talent, exceeds typical expectations. Another important factor IMHO would be the style of music. Hey, maybe I'll visit Spector for some Wall Of Sound hints! Chris Well, I can give you a hint or two. You need a major studio with a big room that was designed for orchestras, you need a great arranger if you're not one yourself and you need maybe 20 or so top studio musicians. And a pistol.
It also helps to be a genius.
But you could have learned that anywhere....
Gold Star (where spector cut many iconic records) was barely big enough for a large rhythm section and could hardly have been called a "major room" that was "designed for orchestras". Neither was Motown's room. Great arrangers, musicians and producers ARE essential though if you want consistency and quality. The pistol is not essential unless the musicians get out of hand.....
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 12, 2019 0:10:50 GMT -6
Well, I can give you a hint or two. You need a major studio with a big room that was designed for orchestras, you need a great arranger if you're not one yourself and you need maybe 20 or so top studio musicians. And a pistol.
It also helps to be a genius.
But you could have learned that anywhere....
Sounds easy! LOL! I have enough trouble just self recording. Let alone becoming the next Lord Algae, by watching enough YouTube videos 24/7. I'm going off to make some beats and raps now, for my homies. Word! If you're going to be growing beets, could you make me up a nice bowl of borscht?
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Post by chessparov on Nov 12, 2019 0:19:08 GMT -6
Decided that my new Rap name "Borscht 2B Wilde", will gain me many more European fans. Instead of "Beetz Me". Chris
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Post by Guitar on Nov 12, 2019 9:42:22 GMT -6
I really have learned a lot from simply "pal-ing around" studios in town. Haven't paid anything. Most of the time I'm there to do some soldering, some really basic tape op, or something minor. Once in a while just to hang out. Maybe a microphone repair.
Wish I could do it more often, but it sort of feels like we are all a bunch of dungeon trolls a lot of the time. That's why it's valuable to share the space when possible.
There are occasional "studio meet-ups" that some people organize from time to time.
There was a Waves event at the "big" studio in town recently.
See if you can organize or jump into something like a studio social meetup, just become familiar with the other engineers in your town on a first name basis.
If you have any extra skills like soldering for example, that might get you into a few rooms to help out, and you can learn while you're there.
I was soldering a snake for a few hours while my buddy was reviewing mixes with a band. One time I just popped over to shoot the shit and got to watch him mix.
Many times if you're there, there's going to be someone working or talking about work.
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Post by chessparov on Nov 12, 2019 13:08:59 GMT -6
Great idea. I guess it's more realistic for most of us, to aspire to the "Assistant Mixer" level. A bit different, but when my time eases up, I'm interested in learning more about "Re-Mixing". Primarily Classic Soul/60's/70's/80's Dance Music. We have a blast locally, doing some "live" arrangements. You should see me and my Buddy Francois, do some KC & The Sunshine Band stuff sometime. Hilarious!! Chris
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