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Post by indiehouse on Nov 8, 2019 6:03:21 GMT -6
Feeling like I need to learn to be better. I’d love to watch someone mix one of my tracks. I’ve never had the opportunity before. What would it cost to have someone mix a track while talking through their decisions and screen capturing that?
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Post by wiz on Nov 8, 2019 7:26:30 GMT -6
Feeling like I need to learn to be better. I’d love to watch someone mix one of my tracks. I’ve never had the opportunity before. What would it cost to have someone mix a track while talking through their decisions and screen capturing that? If we can set it up I will do it for free or you can donate something to a charity of your choice cheers Wiz
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Post by svart on Nov 8, 2019 7:30:11 GMT -6
Man that's a tough one. On one hand I could put up the tracks, listen, do some tweaks and call it good.. On the other hand I could put up the tracks and agonize for hours about whether the bass or kick drum should be featured more.
Never know which way it'll go until I do it.
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Nov 8, 2019 10:01:20 GMT -6
You should try to hire a mixer you like very much. Not the crazy expensive ones, but amongst the very good ones YOU like. And you pay him to mix a song, while attending. Someone will agree, I'm sure.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 8, 2019 10:16:01 GMT -6
It might work better for you if you had the mixer make you do the movements. I never learn the route somewhere unless I'm doing the actual driving, even if I've gone someplace many times.
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Nov 8, 2019 10:37:33 GMT -6
It might work better for you if you had the mixer make you do the movements. I never learn the route somewhere unless I'm doing the actual driving, even if I've gone someplace many times. That advice is PURE GOLD
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Post by Tbone81 on Nov 8, 2019 11:49:03 GMT -6
Have you tried any of the Nail The Mix sessions? They're all heavy metal, so not sure if you're into that, but you get the raw session mutli-tracks, you mix them yourself, and then you watch the video (usually 2-3 hours) of the actual mixer showing you step by step what he did. You can buy them individually for like $30 or less, or subscribe monthly. I've found them to be extremely helpful. The biggest insight I've taken away is from hearing the raw multitracks themselves and realizing what top tier raw tracks are supposed to sound like. And its great because they have some of the biggest names in metal, Lamb of God, Opeth, Bring Me the Horizon, Godsmack.
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Post by svart on Nov 8, 2019 12:08:50 GMT -6
It might work better for you if you had the mixer make you do the movements. I never learn the route somewhere unless I'm doing the actual driving, even if I've gone someplace many times. I'm not sure how that would work in actual practice. Most of my moves are simple sweeps of things until I hear what I like, or trying different settings quickly. It would take 10x longer to try to explain why I do things to someone else and it would completely break concentration doing so. I think videoing the session and allowing the person to watch and listen, pause, rewind, etc is still more beneficial. Everyone knows what you're *supposed* to do, but it's always eye opening to see what folks *actually* do.
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Nov 8, 2019 12:20:47 GMT -6
The best way would be for the engineer to state "I hear this problem", or "I would go for this guitar to be really wet", etc... And now "You do it in front of me". A little bit utopic, I know.
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Post by christopher on Nov 8, 2019 12:52:16 GMT -6
What genre? Any references that that you are into?
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Post by christopher on Nov 8, 2019 12:54:39 GMT -6
The biggest insight I've taken away is from hearing the raw multitracks themselves and realizing what top tier raw tracks are supposed to sound like. Good point. Raw tracks that can be released as solo instrumentals are very a nice place to start a mix.
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 8, 2019 14:48:10 GMT -6
Feeling like I need to learn to be better. I’d love to watch someone mix one of my tracks. I’ve never had the opportunity before. What would it cost to have someone mix a track while talking through their decisions and screen capturing that? If we can set it up I will do it for free or you can donate something to a charity of your choice cheers Wiz Man, that is very cool of you. I have just the charity in mind, as my mother-in-law was just diagnosed with stage IV pancreatic cancer. I may touch base when the time is right. Finishing up a few more parts during the five minutes of free time I have per day...
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 8, 2019 14:48:59 GMT -6
Have you tried any of the Nail The Mix sessions? They're all heavy metal, so not sure if you're into that, but you get the raw session mutli-tracks, you mix them yourself, and then you watch the video (usually 2-3 hours) of the actual mixer showing you step by step what he did. You can buy them individually for like $30 or less, or subscribe monthly. I've found them to be extremely helpful. The biggest insight I've taken away is from hearing the raw multitracks themselves and realizing what top tier raw tracks are supposed to sound like. And its great because they have some of the biggest names in metal, Lamb of God, Opeth, Bring Me the Horizon, Godsmack. I've looked at that before. I hear good things, but I just can't do metal. I can't.
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 8, 2019 14:50:22 GMT -6
It might work better for you if you had the mixer make you do the movements. I never learn the route somewhere unless I'm doing the actual driving, even if I've gone someplace many times. I dunno. Watching a video of someone mixing my track would allow me to learn on my own time, and duplicate their moves on my end as well.
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 8, 2019 15:01:15 GMT -6
What genre? Any references that that you are into? Genre? I'd say maybe indie pop/rock? I never know what to say to those questions. I just kinda do my own thing. Here's the last record (2013), for reference: cassetteand45.bandcamp.com/album/fallen-on-hard-timesWorking on a new album, with growth in songwriting. I need to grow as a mixer as well and have (much) room to improve.
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Post by swurveman on Nov 8, 2019 15:10:45 GMT -6
The biggest insight I've taken away is from hearing the raw multitracks themselves and realizing what top tier raw tracks are supposed to sound like. And its great because they have some of the biggest names in metal, Lamb of God, Opeth, Bring Me the Horizon, Godsmack. Are you talking about tracks that have been compressed and EQ'd while tracking? What did they sound like that was different from the way you were tracking?
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Post by Tbone81 on Nov 8, 2019 17:04:44 GMT -6
The biggest insight I've taken away is from hearing the raw multitracks themselves and realizing what top tier raw tracks are supposed to sound like. And its great because they have some of the biggest names in metal, Lamb of God, Opeth, Bring Me the Horizon, Godsmack. Are you talking about tracks that have been compressed and EQ'd while tracking? What did they sound like that was different from the way you were tracking? Yes a lot of the tracks are fairly heavily processed on the way in. Vocals and bass in particular. But what really strikes me in all the pro multi-tracks I’ve heard is that every instrument sounds “even”. As in no excessive high end or low end. Every instrument is very well balanced across its frequency spectrum. For example: the bass sounds very even from low note to high note, very smooth, with a surprisingly little amount of low end. In other words, no “boominess” or big pillowy low end. In fact, soloed the bass tracks can sound a little weak, but in the mix they balance out very well, are super easy to work with and if u need more lows you just dial up a little low end on an eq and done.
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Post by swurveman on Nov 8, 2019 17:08:45 GMT -6
Are you talking about tracks that have been compressed and EQ'd while tracking? What did they sound like that was different from the way you were tracking? Yes a lot of the tracks are fairly heavily processed on the way in. Vocals and bass in particular. But what really strikes me in all the pro multi-tracks I’ve heard is that every instrument sounds “even”. As in no excessive high end or low end. Every instrument is very well balanced across its frequency spectrum. For example: the bass sounds very even from low note to high note, very smooth, with a surprisingly little amount of low end. In other words, no “boominess” or big pillowy low end. In fact, soloed the bass tracks can sound a little weak, but in the mix they balance out very well, are super easy to work with and if u need more lows you just dial up a little low end on an eq and done. Thanks. How about thing like snare, overhead and kick transients? How much are they tamed? It would be interesting to hear their unprocessed tracking vs. their processed.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 8, 2019 17:15:48 GMT -6
It might work better for you if you had the mixer make you do the movements. I never learn the route somewhere unless I'm doing the actual driving, even if I've gone someplace many times. I dunno. Watching a video of someone mixing my track would allow me to learn on my own time, and duplicate their moves on my end as well. Absolutely nothing wrong with that indiehouse. I've noticed that I need to do the things I've studied to really integrate them into any everyday workflow, otherwise I just fall back to what I know.. I was also thinking you probably know a lot already, so I thought it wouldn't hurt for you to actually do the refinements a good engineer might pass on, but if I give it more thought, you're probably right, and having the engineer coach you as you do the work might be impractical.
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Post by wiz on Nov 8, 2019 18:31:53 GMT -6
If we can set it up I will do it for free or you can donate something to a charity of your choice cheers Wiz Man, that is very cool of you. I have just the charity in mind, as my mother-in-law was just diagnosed with stage IV pancreatic cancer. I may touch base when the time is right. Finishing up a few more parts during the five minutes of free time I have per day... Anytime.... Also my thoughts are with your Mother In Law. Wiz
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 8, 2019 19:12:07 GMT -6
Feeling like I need to learn to be better. I’d love to watch someone mix one of my tracks. I’ve never had the opportunity before. What would it cost to have someone mix a track while talking through their decisions and screen capturing that?
I found it pretty entertaining to see some CLA mixing videos, not because I love his style of mixing, but I was impressed by the fact that there was no fear to try out wild things like grabbing 10 K on the snare top and pulling it all the way up. I was like Jesus that can't sound good, but it did when he switched back to full play back the track.
Slate is having different stuff online also on YT there are some takes form mixing with the pros.
I find what Steven explains about his way to mix was 90% of the time very useful, he also explains his decision.
I know his attitude is a bit strange, but his message counts to me.
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 8, 2019 19:14:59 GMT -6
What genre? Any references that that you are into? Genre? I'd say maybe indie pop/rock? I never know what to say to those questions. I just kinda do my own thing. Here's the last record (2013), for reference: cassetteand45.bandcamp.com/album/fallen-on-hard-timesWorking on a new album, with growth in songwriting. I need to grow as a mixer as well and have (much) room to improve. Check out groove3 www.groove3.com/Pretty cool tutorial site a bit different from a lot of the newer ones. This was kind of one of the first places to do that. The subscription isn't much and there is a lot of really great stuff in there. I watched a lot of stuff in College from here and it helped with PT layout/short cuts and just tricks and things.
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Post by Tbone81 on Nov 8, 2019 19:15:56 GMT -6
Yes a lot of the tracks are fairly heavily processed on the way in. Vocals and bass in particular. But what really strikes me in all the pro multi-tracks I’ve heard is that every instrument sounds “even”. As in no excessive high end or low end. Every instrument is very well balanced across its frequency spectrum. For example: the bass sounds very even from low note to high note, very smooth, with a surprisingly little amount of low end. In other words, no “boominess” or big pillowy low end. In fact, soloed the bass tracks can sound a little weak, but in the mix they balance out very well, are super easy to work with and if u need more lows you just dial up a little low end on an eq and done. Thanks. How about thing like snare, overhead and kick transients? How much are they tamed? It would be interesting to hear their unprocessed tracking vs. their processed. It varies, Nail the Mix is all metal so the raw drums are actually pretty dry, usually. Although I’m sure they’re using eq in the way in to some extent. But, being metal, they’re also relying on triggers/sample replacement, which are sometimes included.
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Post by porkyman on Nov 8, 2019 20:36:08 GMT -6
I think David Glenn does/did something like this where you mix your song together via web conference. I’ve never tried it and don’t know if he still does it but I thought his YouTube videos were some of the best around.
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 8, 2019 20:43:29 GMT -6
The thing is, if I watch one more "mixing tutorial" video, I might go crazy. I know the moves I'm 'supposed' to make. I just need to take it to the next level, a personal level.
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