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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 25, 2019 12:25:48 GMT -6
Any thoughts on whether these are a net plus?
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Post by jeremygillespie on Oct 25, 2019 14:17:21 GMT -6
For singing? Meh...
For use on a kick drum or gtr amp mic when recording a live band to cut back on some bleed - works pretty well.
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Post by chessparov on Oct 25, 2019 15:23:56 GMT -6
IMHO depending on which one...
From just a little, to a moderate amount.
Most effective generally, on a tight cardiod, or Figure 8 microphone.
FWIW I have an SE Reflexion "X", the entry level one.
Chris
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Post by chessparov on Oct 25, 2019 15:24:33 GMT -6
Aston Halo is the best of these...
EDIT 10/26/19: I defer to tkaitkai's greater experience below. Seems the SE Space filter, is relatively superior.
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Post by notneeson on Oct 25, 2019 17:55:16 GMT -6
For singing? Meh... For use on a kick drum or gtr amp mic when recording a live band to cut back on some bleed - works pretty well. I 2nd the first part 100%, haven't tried the other usages. |
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Post by tkaitkai on Oct 25, 2019 18:45:46 GMT -6
I have the SE Space and briefly owned an Aston Halo a while back. These two are fairly “high end” as far as reflection filters are concerned, so I would assume most of this applies to the cheaper stuff as well.
The Halo, to my ears, produces far too much lower midrange coloration to be considered useful. You can hear this in virtually every demo clip/video out there, and it was certainly apparent when I had one. Not a fan.
The Space filter, on the other hand, is actually quite decent. In a small, untreated room, it does a fantastic job of reducing room tone and echo. It’s not going to stop all reflections, and it definitely won’t completely decouple the mic from the room, but if it’s all you have, you’re in good shape. You can absolutely get useable results with this thing. If used in combination with other room treatment, the benefits become less pronounced.
In general, I think the principle behind reflecion filters is often misunderstood. You’re not trying to block reflections from reaching the mic — you’re trying to interfere with the source before it propagates outward into the room. This is similar to the thought behind using a QSF with ASC tube traps, although tube traps are obviously in a different league. I’m currently looking to buy some for this very reason!
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Post by tasteliketape on Oct 25, 2019 19:55:58 GMT -6
I’ve been trying to think how to diy some small ones for drum mics .
There at one time we’re some commercial made ones but I haven’t been able to find them anywhere.
Maybe pvc pipe cut in half with foam or limp mass glued in. Any thoughts ?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 25, 2019 20:57:43 GMT -6
Hated the weird sounding SE Reflexion filter, sold it in a week. I'd like to try the SE Space though. It might help with some guided meditations and podcasts I record for friends.
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Post by stormymondays on Oct 26, 2019 1:08:14 GMT -6
I’ve been trying to think how to diy some small ones for drum mics . There at one time we’re some commercial made ones but I haven’t been able to find them anywhere. Maybe pvc pipe cut in half with foam or limp mass glued in. Any thoughts ? The ones you are thinking of are made by Primacoustic. Never tried them, though. |
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Post by stormymondays on Oct 26, 2019 1:11:36 GMT -6
The Reflexion Filter can be useful but I don’t use it by default. It works in reducing bleed if you are tracking live, for instance if the singer is doing a scratch vocal, you can contain it a bit.
For vocal recording it’s way more important to treat the front of the mic, I.e. the back of the singer. That’s what will cut the bad room sound.
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 26, 2019 13:03:56 GMT -6
I've only used those things a couple of times and didn't really find them very useful. My suspicion is that they're intended for people who really don't have very good microphones - perhaps if I still tried to use SM57s and 421s for recording I might find them more useful, but if you have mics with good off-axis response they seem kind of superfluous to me.Or perhaps if I did ensemble recording with people who didn't really know their parts and had to try overdubbing of badly played tracks it might be beneficial, but I try to avoid that. The older guys whose opinions I respect generally say that leakage is your friend if your players are any good, and nowadays the mics I use for recording do not generate bad off-axis sound.
It might be interesting to try them live for guitar isolation, but then I'd have clunky looking dinguses taking up room onstage.
As always, YMMV.
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Post by chessparov on Oct 26, 2019 13:55:03 GMT -6
What's funny, is that for a moderate "audio book" style reading, or for a soft volume vocal...
My SE Electronics RF-X filter does help a bit, and IMHO doesn't have the low mid issue-that tkaitkai mentioned regarding the Halo.
Fortunately, for medium volume (or less) vocals, I can record vocals at work afterhours.
Unfortunately, If I lay out a LOUD vocal there, it really shows up that recording area's limitations. I know the 'ol Sound On Sound suggestion, of a duvet/blanket behind the singer, would help somewhat. Hey, maybe it could sound like Capitol or Abbey Road then! (kidding kidding). But maybe Shabbey Road.
Good thing if I need it, there are still some active Pro Studios, in the South OC area if need be.
Pretty soon, I'm going to go back and do some test vocals, on my dynamic mic "arsenal" -because of the sonic issues.
Sometimes it's nice to be able to home record more.
Chris
P.S. This is also why a Soyuz Launcher, might happen for me in early 2020. Have to admit I'm curious how effective it is. |
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