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Post by geoff738 on Nov 3, 2019 11:20:32 GMT -6
Why couldn't you use it in front of an amp? You can turn the cab sim off. Then you just have an amp in the box overdrive, no? I don’t think so. In one of the vids it mentions it should not be used in front of an amp. But that it can be used into the return of an effects loop. Which most of my amps don’t have. Those that have one of these please correct me if I’m wrong. I’d love to be wrong about this. Cheers, Geoff Ok, go to the where can I use section and click more: Using Iridium with an amp?
It says not recommended. Doesn’t say it will blow things up, but ... Cheers, Geoff
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Post by Quint on Nov 3, 2019 11:56:03 GMT -6
I think the idea here is that, even if impedance and level weren't an issue (which they are), would you normally want to run one guitar amp into another guitar amp? Because that's essentially what you would be doing by running the Iridium into the instrument input of a guitar amp.
Also throw in the fact that the Iridium does put out signal at line level and not instrument level/impedance, and I understand why they recommend not doing this. It will probably sound bad.
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Post by geoff738 on Nov 3, 2019 12:18:50 GMT -6
Yeah I get it but if it could also be used by those that run clean amps as pedal platforms for amp in a box pedals, it would be a much more useful product. IMO. Who knows, now that they’ve done the development for this, it would probably be easy to go and make amp in a box pedals for those amps. It’s a pretty crowded market, but I guess we’ll see. Not sure anybody’s done a pedal per se that does all three models.
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 3, 2019 12:49:01 GMT -6
Ah, what’s the point of running a guitar amp emulation with ir into a real guitar amp? Seems pretty bassackwards ?
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Post by geoff738 on Nov 3, 2019 13:07:12 GMT -6
Ah, what’s the point of running a guitar amp emulation with ir into a real guitar amp? Seems pretty bassackwards ? Well, how many Marshall in a box pedals are there. I lost count at a bazillion. Granted they don’t contain irs, but I expect they try emulate the tone through whatever speaker cab they decide they want the pedal to sound like. How successful they are at doing that is open for debate. Personally that’s not the way I’d do things, I don’t think they ever really quite get there. Doesn’t mean they don’t sound good, just not the same as the amp they’re supposed to emulate. But then I haven’t checked out very many of those kind of pedals. But lots of people go that route, and I get that it’s easier to buy a pedal or three rather than humping multiple amps to a gig. The Iridium would be a heck of a lot more versatile if it could be used in that way, but if your amp has an effects loop I guess it can. I suppose it’s a feature I would have liked. But, it isn’t there, so we can judge it on its merits. For those who do get one, I’d love to hear how it does patched into the return of your amps effects loop. Cheers, Geoff
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 3, 2019 14:00:54 GMT -6
I think this pair with some DIYRE color modules could merit some epic stuff.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 3, 2019 14:15:48 GMT -6
If I had a Marshall, Vox and fender, why would I put a pedal that emulates them in front of the actual amp. If I have a Ferrari, I don’t need 2 engines: just one ?
Anyway, if the iridium can simply go in an fx loop, that does what you want, you just need another amp !?
My amp (Marshall origin 20) and iridium should be here Thursday. I am curious whether as soon as I hear the iridium for real, my reaction is negative. That’s the way I react to all guitar amp sims so far, too sizzle, doesn’t sound real.
I am wondering how close to real the iridium sounds by itself and in a mix, if it’s anywhere close, it’s great value.
I just sold my Egnator Tweaker a real tube amp with real Marshall, Vox and fender typologies and celestrian 12, they sounded different but not exactly.
Ideallly, I’d just like 3 small 20 watt real amps and a 2 x12 celestrian cab, orc2,1x12 combos and the 3rd head would work fine too.
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Post by geoff738 on Nov 3, 2019 16:16:29 GMT -6
Anyway, if the iridium can simply go in an fx loop, that does what you want, you just need another amp !? I need another amp like I need another hole in the head. But never say never. Looking forward to your impressions of the Iridium and the Marshall. Cheers, Geoff
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Post by drbill on Nov 3, 2019 16:19:11 GMT -6
I think this pair with some DIYRE color modules could merit some epic stuff. I'm planning on running mine : Pedalboard > Iridium > ZOD DI (2x) > Coil CA70's (2x) > MrFocus (2x) > LA2a / Weight Tank (2x) (optional) > Pro Tools Should be sweet. Hopefully....
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 3, 2019 17:10:28 GMT -6
Favourable and some interesting comparisons: iridium sure sound good.
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Post by shoe on Nov 3, 2019 17:45:23 GMT -6
Ah, what’s the point of running a guitar amp emulation with ir into a real guitar amp? Seems pretty bassackwards ? You would turn off the IR to do this, but it actually does sound good. I have actually run the line out of one of my custom amps (a jcm 800-based amp) into my twin reverb as a distortion effect and it sounded amazing. (Actually not that far off from a good amp in a box pedal). I also have a pedal that is a JCM800 preamp that runs at full voltage. Also sounds awesome in front of a clean amp. There are also classic effects like the Gar Herzog which is basically a Champ with low output that you run into the front of your amp. That's the American Woman sound, for example.
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Post by donr on Nov 3, 2019 20:40:42 GMT -6
In this moment in history, the tools are opening up some new avenues of guitar and bass tone generation. The new tech began mimicking the sound of classic gear, but patching elements in non-traditional ways is creating sounds that aren't authentic historically but are musical nontheless.
Last night for instance, my guitar went first through (in various combination) drive pedals from QuinnAmps and Jetter, comps from Pigtronics and Empress, a line driver from JHS, into a Fender Super Sonic 22w 6V6 amp, into a Two-Notes Torpedo (with added Two-Notes 6L6 push pull pentode emulation) loading the amp and playing an IR of VOX cab with two mics on it, which went to FOH and in-ears. Plus, that sound went to a Matrix class D linear amp driving a 4x12 with Celestions V30's for stage fill.
This sound couldn't be gotten with any one guitar amp ever made. But it's musical to me. The future, as Tom Petty said, is wide open.
Looking forward to the Strymon. I think it could be used without a cab IR. Why couldn't you "record" an IR that's basically a bypass?
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Post by drbill on Nov 3, 2019 20:49:46 GMT -6
Why couldn't you "record" an IR that's basically a bypass? Genius Don!!! <<thumbsup>>
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Post by sirthought on Nov 4, 2019 6:10:42 GMT -6
Sorry you lost me on the recording an IR that's a bypass. What would be the desired effect here?
For those that asked how this might compare to a HX Stomp, here's a video comparison.
I'm kind of surprised at how much hum occurs like with a real amp. Realistic, but not really what I want to hear. I also read one commenter who's purchased Iridium say that the hum through the headphone out is fairly pronounced, depending on the power supply you use.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 4, 2019 6:42:37 GMT -6
Interesting, while both sounded very good, thought stomp had a little more girth, weight and bottom, wonder if that was flat or had a hidden eq setting ?
Big jump in price point, albeit for more features, if you need em, underscores iridium’s good value point ?
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Post by drbill on Nov 5, 2019 21:45:29 GMT -6
Tele w/ Humbuckers > Iridium (all amps / cabs) > Zod ID DI (tube DI) > Coil CA70S's proved inspirational, a total blast, and honestly, pretty freaking amazing. In the studio, monitoring thru Pro Tools, it sounds pretty much like any "real" Deluxe / AC30 / Marshall I've recorded. The true test will come in a few days when I can actually get someone who can PLAY. (Keyboard player here, and I'm a total hack on Gtr.....)
But color me extremely impressed. Followed by quality gear (something that I doubt most video's have done) this thing proves to be an amazing value, and an equally great sounding tool.
Best $400 I've spent in recent memory....
PS - the Negative feedback and LF controls on the CA70's are magic on Elec Guitars. And they no doubt put some meat on the Iridium too....
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Post by Quint on Nov 6, 2019 15:44:25 GMT -6
Tele w/ Humbuckers > Iridium (all amps / cabs) > Zod ID DI (tube DI) > Coil CA70S's proved inspirational, a total blast, and honestly, pretty freaking amazing. In the studio, monitoring thru Pro Tools, it sounds pretty much like any "real" Deluxe / AC30 / Marshall I've recorded. The true test will come in a few days when I can actually get someone who can PLAY. (Keyboard player here, and I'm a total hack on Gtr.....) But color me extremely impressed. Followed by quality gear (something that I doubt most video's have done) this thing proves to be an amazing value, and an equally great sounding tool. Best $400 I've spent in recent memory.... PS - the Negative feedback and LF controls on the CA70's are magic on Elec Guitars. And they no doubt put some meat on the Iridium too.... This is what I like to hear. I WILL be ordering one soon. I do have a question though. Is it required that you go through a DI and/or preamp prior to going into the AD? I thought the Iridium sent out line level signal and could go directly into the computer?
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Post by drbill on Nov 6, 2019 18:52:21 GMT -6
Tele w/ Humbuckers > Iridium (all amps / cabs) > Zod ID DI (tube DI) > Coil CA70S's proved inspirational, a total blast, and honestly, pretty freaking amazing. In the studio, monitoring thru Pro Tools, it sounds pretty much like any "real" Deluxe / AC30 / Marshall I've recorded. The true test will come in a few days when I can actually get someone who can PLAY. (Keyboard player here, and I'm a total hack on Gtr.....) But color me extremely impressed. Followed by quality gear (something that I doubt most video's have done) this thing proves to be an amazing value, and an equally great sounding tool. Best $400 I've spent in recent memory.... PS - the Negative feedback and LF controls on the CA70's are magic on Elec Guitars. And they no doubt put some meat on the Iridium too.... This is what I like to hear. I WILL be ordering one soon. I do have a question though. Is it required that you go through a DI and/or preamp prior to going into the AD? I thought the Iridium sent out line level signal and could go directly into the computer? It was pretty hot coming out. I just ASSumed a DI would be in order after a pedal, but you're probably right. ultimately, I did switch the Coil's to Line mode and the ZOD's were at 9:00 position. So yeah, probably don't NEED them, but oh my.....I'd sure hate to go straight in.......
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 6, 2019 20:29:22 GMT -6
Tele w/ Humbuckers > Iridium (all amps / cabs) > Zod ID DI (tube DI) > Coil CA70S's proved inspirational, a total blast, and honestly, pretty freaking amazing. In the studio, monitoring thru Pro Tools, it sounds pretty much like any "real" Deluxe / AC30 / Marshall I've recorded. The true test will come in a few days when I can actually get someone who can PLAY. (Keyboard player here, and I'm a total hack on Gtr.....) But color me extremely impressed. Followed by quality gear (something that I doubt most video's have done) this thing proves to be an amazing value, and an equally great sounding tool. Best $400 I've spent in recent memory.... PS - the Negative feedback and LF controls on the CA70's are magic on Elec Guitars. And they no doubt put some meat on the Iridium too.... This is the chain I use with my Kemper. Except I'm running mono, don't have stereo Zod's or Coils.
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Post by sirthought on Nov 7, 2019 2:36:51 GMT -6
According to Strymon answering my question, this pedal is line level going out. You should not need a D.I. You can go into an advanced setting to adjust the output somewhat.
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Post by phantom on Nov 7, 2019 8:24:12 GMT -6
Interesting, while both sounded very good, thought stomp had a little more girth, weight and bottom, wonder if that was flat or had a hidden eq setting ? Big jump in price point, albeit for more features, if you need em, underscores iridium’s good value point ? You see, I thought the Strymon sounded a tiny bit better. But almost no difference, to tell you the truth. But I think I would prefer the workflow of the Strymon, it's more straightforward and I like that. Btw, the Room knob, not used in this last video, seems to be like an important part of the pedal.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 7, 2019 10:16:45 GMT -6
I agree both sounded really good, was just commenting on differences, big difference in price and features.
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Post by donr on Nov 7, 2019 12:40:54 GMT -6
I received an Iridium this week. First impression is favorable. It feels great under the fingers and the pick attack in particular sounds like a really good amp. The Vox and Marshall emulations are the stars. I'm going to try it live this weekend and compare it to the JCM 900 in my fly rig. If it's as good as I think it might be, I won't need the 900 anymore.
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Post by Quint on Nov 7, 2019 12:44:16 GMT -6
I received an Iridium this week. First impression is favorable. It feels great under the fingers and the pick attack in particular sounds like a really good amp. The Vox and Marshall emulations are the stars. I'm going to try it live this weekend and compare it to the JCM 900 in my fly rig. If it's as good as I think it might be, I won't need the 900 anymore. Pretty high praise. So what did you not like about the Fender as much as the other two? Or are you just not a Fender guy?
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 7, 2019 12:51:04 GMT -6
I’ll be demoing one this pm and a Marshall origin 20 combo. The store has the small Vox and fender combos so I’ll compare the real amps first than demo iridium.
I’ll be surprised if I don’t bring the iridium home.
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