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Post by Bat Lanyard on Feb 11, 2020 23:16:31 GMT -6
Still digging the Iridium. Still have the OX. Still mic the '78-ish Plexi 50 watt.
Conclusion I've come to is the modeling stuff is awesome for quick or secondary tracks in a tune.
You want the goods though, you have to break out the amp(s) and cab(s) and mic them up. No way around the physics of our world.
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Post by indiehouse on Feb 12, 2020 5:41:09 GMT -6
Mic’ing a 50 watt amp is a no-go for me right now. I have, however, been really enjoying ruining my Swart AST into the Iridium cab only side via the Suhr Reactive Load, especially with the new OwnHammer IR pack. Reminded me how finicky tune amps can be, though. Had to replace a reverb tube, reseat a jewel lamp, trace down a bad patch cable in my pedalboard, wait for tubes to warm up to get the best tone, etc But man, really having fun with being able to record my amp again. I can get a lot of different sounds with my various drive pedals, plus the three other amps in the Iridium for secondary guitar tracks.
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Post by indiehouse on Feb 12, 2020 5:42:19 GMT -6
Oh, and I was able to briefly compare the Suhr with a Two Notes Captor. The Suhr was slightly more refined/higher fidelity. Glad I went with the Suhr.
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Post by donr on Feb 12, 2020 8:55:21 GMT -6
I'm using the Iridium now as my fly-rig amp. It's the last thing patched on my pedalboard. Have a Vox sound saved and a Marshall sound dialed. On the back line, using the Two-Notes Torpedo line level, and a Matrix class D amp and 4x12 for onstage monitoring. Quadraverb for delay and mod effects (after the amp and cab IR,) controlled by the Roland midi board. Three DI's to FOH and monitor desk, Dry and FX L-R. It's not exactly like any real amp, but it's a really good sound. Plays great under the fingers. And convenient as hell.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 12, 2020 9:22:04 GMT -6
Good to know Don, thanks. I have my eyes on this. Convenience being the big factor. I know that sounds lazy, but fiddling with Logic's amp sims or with high end rigs like a Kemper just doesn't appeal to me. To have a Fender, Vox and Marshall sound, tweak the tone a little and go, like a real amp seems brilliant.
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Post by ragan on Feb 12, 2020 12:59:48 GMT -6
I'm using the Iridium now as my fly-rig amp. It's the last thing patched on my pedalboard. Have a Vox sound saved and a Marshall sound dialed. On the back line, using the Two-Notes Torpedo line level, and a Matrix class D amp and 4x12 for onstage monitoring. Quadraverb for delay and mod effects (after the amp and cab IR,) controlled by the Roland midi board. Three DI's to FOH and monitor desk, Dry and FX L-R. It's not exactly like any real amp, but it's a really good sound. Plays great under the fingers. And convenient as hell. View AttachmentVery cool, Don. Have you always used the Quadraverb on the mic’d signal and not in the chain feeding the amp (real or virtual)? I picked up a Quadraverb awhile back and want to incorporate it for monitoring fun while tracking.
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Post by donr on Feb 12, 2020 15:31:35 GMT -6
I'm using the Iridium now as my fly-rig amp. It's the last thing patched on my pedalboard. Have a Vox sound saved and a Marshall sound dialed. On the back line, using the Two-Notes Torpedo line level, and a Matrix class D amp and 4x12 for onstage monitoring. Quadraverb for delay and mod effects (after the amp and cab IR,) controlled by the Roland midi board. Three DI's to FOH and monitor desk, Dry and FX L-R. It's not exactly like any real amp, but it's a really good sound. Plays great under the fingers. And convenient as hell. Very cool, Don. Have you always used the Quadraverb on the mic’d signal and not in the chain feeding the amp (real or virtual)? I picked up a Quadraverb awhile back and want to incorporate it for monitoring fun while tracking. When I first started using the Quadraverb for effects years ago, I went mono into it (with an ART Powerplant or something equivalent) and stereo out to a Carver SS amp and a stereo 4x12 with 2 mics, with the dry phantom center channel. But it has a sound, even without effects, and it wasn't as clean as running parallel so once I started using Cab IR's with real amps again, I fed the Quad after the dry DI and sent the FX L/R to the monitor and FOH. The onstage monitor amp is dry. Only the IEM's and the house hears the effects. I tried using a TC electronic rack unit for delay and chorus, but I like the vibe of the Quad better. I must have about 10 of them in various states of health. They don't fly well.
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Post by wiz on Feb 16, 2020 20:33:46 GMT -6
Just ordered one to try
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 17, 2020 9:55:28 GMT -6
Looking forward to your impressions Wiz. I'm in an apartment with neighbors above and below, so a good sounding simulation would help me a lot. I don't love any of the sims in Logic or by UAD.
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Post by bricejchandler on Feb 17, 2020 17:03:01 GMT -6
Looking forward to your impressions Wiz. I'm in an apartment with neighbors above and below, so a good sounding simulation would help me a lot. I don't love any of the sims in Logic or by UAD. I know I'm in the minority here but I don't think it sounds that great. I don't find it any better than UAD's Fender Deluxe.. It sounds thin and hollow to me, I honestly thought maybe mine had something wrong, but then I listened to Pete Thorn's demo, he usually gets amazing sounds out of anything and here it just sounded lifeless. To me it doesn't sound any better than some of the newer Pods. I really really really wanted to like it, I'm also in an apartment and I've been using a Grossmann Iso Box with my amps and while it sounds pretty good, it's far from silent. I was hoping the Iridium could replace it but unfortunately that wasn't the case for me. I don't know maybe they're not modeling the kind of tones I liek, but to me it was really lacking the weight and compression of my real amps. It was fun jamming with it though headphones for practicing but I couldn't justify keeping a $500 pedal just to practice through it.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 17, 2020 21:17:08 GMT -6
Thanks for the heads up Brice. I'll have to carefully audition it I guess.
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Post by bricejchandler on Feb 18, 2020 3:21:39 GMT -6
Thanks for the heads up Brice. I'll have to carefully audition it I guess. Yeah that's def the way to go. I got it knowing that it did not model the amps I play, I use a 62 princeton and a 57 deluxe, so it's not really a fair comparison as it's not trying to sound like the amps I own.
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Post by indiehouse on Feb 18, 2020 5:53:11 GMT -6
Funny how everyone hears things differently. I don’t hear thin and hollow. I admit you had me second guessing myself. But just finished tracking some guitar parts Timmy -> Analogman Sunface (white dot) w/ rolled off gtr volume to clean up the fuzz -> Klone-> Chime amp w/ OwnHammer IR -> Memory Man TT1100 -> Strymon Flint (stereo out) -> pair of Stam 1073EQ’s. I thought it sounded pretty friggin’ great. I’ve got my Swart AST sitting right here that I could have flipped on, but I didn’t have a lot of time to wait for the tubes to warm up. I don’t do uber clean and I don’t do high gain, so for what this does, it’s totally in my ballpark. And I definitely prefer it to the Kemper. Not once have I thought my tone sounded flat and compressed like I remember always fighting that with the Kemper. I admit to still being curious about the Axe. But that’s a lot more $$.
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Post by bricejchandler on Feb 18, 2020 6:28:24 GMT -6
Funny how everyone hears things differently. I don’t hear thin and hollow. I admit you had me second guessing myself. But just finished tracking some guitar parts Timmy -> Analogman Sunface (white dot) w/ rolled off gtr volume to clean up the fuzz -> Klone-> Chime amp w/ OwnHammer IR -> Memory Man TT1100 -> Strymon Flint (stereo out) -> pair of Stam 1073EQ’s. I thought it sounded pretty friggin’ great. I’ve got my Swart AST sitting right here that I could have flipped on, but I didn’t have a lot of time to wait for the tubes to warm up. I don’t do uber clean and I don’t do high gain, so for what this does, it’s totally in my ballpark. And I definitely prefer it to the Kemper. Not once have I thought my tone sounded flat and compressed like I remember always fighting that with the Kemper. I admit to still being curious about the Axe. But that’s a lot more $$. I'm willing to give it another try at some point, so many people seem to love it that maybe I need to try it again, It wouldn't be the first time that I'm wrong that's for sure. I had it on loan for a week during which I was tracking a lot of guitars and didn't have a ton of time to experiment so basically just ended up using what I usually use because I couldn't get the Strymon happening, at least with that guitar. I don't play with any pedals, so I was relying on the Strymon for all the compression and drive...This is the kind of sound I was going for, which is kind of my default, strat straight into my deluxe 57 miced with a 57 so super straight forward ( delay is a plug in): www.dropbox.com/s/wbbrhnkzoy3o9qb/01%20amp2.mp3?dl=0I tried getting close to it on the Strymon and couldn't get that kind of compression and sustain, though as I mentioned previously I don't think it's meant to model a Deluxe 57. Are you guys using the Strymon mostly as a pedal platform or just by itself?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 18, 2020 7:30:15 GMT -6
From the samples I've heard, the Fender setting didn't sound great. I've been most impressed with the crunch of the Vox setting.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 18, 2020 9:37:00 GMT -6
Brice, that sound reminds me of the reissue blackface Princeton. It's a great sound. Often, the reverb is the key to a classic Fender sound and other reverbs just sound different. I have a Vox AC15HW now. I've only used it for less than 1/2 hour and haven't had a chance to really explore it. The HW is hand wired, so it's more like a custom boutique amp than a stock Vox. I traded for it, the reissue Princeton was my first choice, but the Vox is sweet.
I'd be thrilled to use it for recording but it's just too loud for my situation, so I'm hoping the Strymon works for me. I'll try to audition it soon. I can't afford an AXE FX3 or a Kemper, so if it isn't he Strymon, I just won't get an amp sim box. The UAD OX would solve my problem, but that's too expensive for me right now.
Bat Lanyard, between the Ox and the Strymon, which one did you prefer?
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Post by wiz on Feb 18, 2020 22:03:55 GMT -6
what sort of output level you getting out of this thing, with it plugged into line level on your Audio interface?
I have been through the manual, set the input type to guitar, output level to max and I am only hitting -25dbFS which is really low for everything cranked.... my interface is Motu 16A ,
headphone out seems loud enough... not deafening, but loud enough. cheers
Wiz
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Post by ragan on Feb 18, 2020 22:53:57 GMT -6
what sort of output level you getting out of this thing, with it plugged into line level on your Audio interface? I have been through the manual, set the input type to guitar, output level to max and I am only hitting -25dbFS which is really low for everything cranked.... my interface is Motu 16A , headphone out seems loud enough... not deafening, but loud enough. cheers Wiz Yeah even with the secondary function output volume turned up I was still wanting more signal so I run into a mic pre (Great River in my case) then into ADC.
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Post by wiz on Feb 18, 2020 23:10:22 GMT -6
what sort of output level you getting out of this thing, with it plugged into line level on your Audio interface? I have been through the manual, set the input type to guitar, output level to max and I am only hitting -25dbFS which is really low for everything cranked.... my interface is Motu 16A , headphone out seems loud enough... not deafening, but loud enough. cheers Wiz Yeah even with the secondary function output volume turned up I was still wanting more signal so I run into a mic pre (Great River in my case) then into ADC. thanks for the speedy reply... I put it through a couple of preamps....sounded lots better. Sounded best on my sheraton with humbuckers.... I am going to return it though, its really not cheap here in Oz, and its just not a right fit for me, vs dollars spent Cheers Wiz
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Feb 18, 2020 23:12:40 GMT -6
I'm using the Iridium now as my fly-rig amp. It's the last thing patched on my pedalboard. Have a Vox sound saved and a Marshall sound dialed. On the back line, using the Two-Notes Torpedo line level, and a Matrix class D amp and 4x12 for onstage monitoring. Quadraverb for delay and mod effects (after the amp and cab IR,) controlled by the Roland midi board. Three DI's to FOH and monitor desk, Dry and FX L-R. It's not exactly like any real amp, but it's a really good sound. Plays great under the fingers. And convenient as hell. I do love all the Quadraverb talk. Those things were magic back in their day. Edit: Which is why I just bought a used one. I loved that thing and it's time to be reunited! Where's Peaches?
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Post by sirthought on Feb 19, 2020 2:04:08 GMT -6
I loved that thing and it's time to be reunited! Where's Peaches? Made me laugh, thanks. I pull out jokes like this all the time and no one gets them, ever.
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Post by indiehouse on Feb 19, 2020 6:09:38 GMT -6
Yeah even with the secondary function output volume turned up I was still wanting more signal so I run into a mic pre (Great River in my case) then into ADC. thanks for the speedy reply... I put it through a couple of preamps....sounded lots better. Sounded best on my sheraton with humbuckers.... I am going to return it though, its really not cheap here in Oz, and its just not a right fit for me, vs dollars spent Cheers Wiz Did you update to latest firmware?
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Post by wiz on Feb 19, 2020 7:21:00 GMT -6
Yes it was already at that
I decided to give it another try tomorrow
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 19, 2020 9:11:48 GMT -6
I thought Ragan’s clips sounded great...but I might think his playing sounded great on a pod too.
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Post by indiehouse on Feb 19, 2020 10:03:01 GMT -6
Yes it was already at that I decided to give it another try tomorrow I’m finding it very nuanced, little tweaks to a long way. The tone controls are pretty interactive. Responds well to guitar volume control and any front end pedals. The drive knob has a lot of color. The pedal definitely has sweet spots..and not so sweet spots. I can definitely find sounds that I’m not very fond of. But I can also find some pretty great tones as well. Cabs play a HUGE role. This was something I had to learn. Worth it to download the cab software and have a play with it. I also found out that I think I might be a Vox guy. And I also found out that I’m not much of a Marshall guy.
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