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Post by indiehouse on Jan 24, 2020 9:32:23 GMT -6
Here is some more testing. Please forgive my wretched, out of tune "style". I don't dress to impress, and this certainly won't impress anyone. But still should be useful. The mic preamp was an RTZ and the line outs were going into the RTZ DI. All files were normalized to -26db RMS. Mic'd cab w/ 421, an inch or two off the grill, somewhere around edge of center cone: drive.google.com/file/d/1Q89ZYLMnW3jOdAIxTbfrMhzZm-dEFVZj/view?usp=sharingSuhr line out, Thru mode - meaning the reactive load is being bypassed and going to speaker, which was mic'd, going into Iridium amp bypass mode, OwnHammer cab: drive.google.com/file/d/10M5yHzqx5LIr4LKo_36e-tEqij8_WQzs/view?usp=sharingSuhr Reactive Load into Iridium, same OwnHammer cab: drive.google.com/file/d/1_jQ5SJ3cB6y_CevZ9mRqsPH082fBs69e/view?usp=drivesdkIridium normal mode, Round amp, same Ownhammer cab: drive.google.com/file/d/1KFnPcA_IimqNr_eiCShfqH-GjG8LFkxK/view?usp=sharing
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Post by ragan on Jan 24, 2020 9:39:33 GMT -6
Here is some more testing. Please forgive my wretched, out of tune "style". I don't dress to impress, and this certainly won't impress anyone. But still should be useful. The mic preamp was an RTZ and the line outs were going into the RTZ DI. All files were normalized to -26db RMS. Mic'd cab w/ 421, an inch or two off the grill, somewhere around edge of center cone: drive.google.com/file/d/1Q89ZYLMnW3jOdAIxTbfrMhzZm-dEFVZj/view?usp=sharingSuhr line out, Thru mode - meaning the reactive load is being bypassed and going to speaker, which was mic'd, going into Iridium amp bypass mode, OwnHammer cab: drive.google.com/file/d/10M5yHzqx5LIr4LKo_36e-tEqij8_WQzs/view?usp=sharingSuhr Reactive Load into Iridium, same OwnHammer cab: drive.google.com/file/d/10M5yHzqx5LIr4LKo_36e-tEqij8_WQzs/view?usp=sharingIridium normal mode, Round amp, same Ownhammer cab: drive.google.com/file/d/1KFnPcA_IimqNr_eiCShfqH-GjG8LFkxK/view?usp=sharingWait what’s middle one? Going through the Suhr but which is bypassed and then mic’ing a cab and sending the mic’d signal into Iridium???
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 24, 2020 10:31:56 GMT -6
Here is some more testing. Please forgive my wretched, out of tune "style". I don't dress to impress, and this certainly won't impress anyone. But still should be useful. The mic preamp was an RTZ and the line outs were going into the RTZ DI. All files were normalized to -26db RMS. Mic'd cab w/ 421, an inch or two off the grill, somewhere around edge of center cone: drive.google.com/file/d/1Q89ZYLMnW3jOdAIxTbfrMhzZm-dEFVZj/view?usp=sharingSuhr line out, Thru mode - meaning the reactive load is being bypassed and going to speaker, which was mic'd, going into Iridium amp bypass mode, OwnHammer cab: drive.google.com/file/d/10M5yHzqx5LIr4LKo_36e-tEqij8_WQzs/view?usp=sharingSuhr Reactive Load into Iridium, same OwnHammer cab: drive.google.com/file/d/10M5yHzqx5LIr4LKo_36e-tEqij8_WQzs/view?usp=sharingIridium normal mode, Round amp, same Ownhammer cab: drive.google.com/file/d/1KFnPcA_IimqNr_eiCShfqH-GjG8LFkxK/view?usp=sharingWait what’s middle one? Going through the Suhr but which is bypassed and then mic’ing a cab and sending the mic’d signal into Iridium??? The two middle ones are the same file. I like the Mic'd cab the least and the Suhr the best.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 24, 2020 11:14:04 GMT -6
Sorry, link fixed.
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Post by ragan on Jan 24, 2020 11:14:47 GMT -6
Oh right there are four files.
I still don’t understand the second description. It’s a mic’d speaker being sent into a cab IR.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 24, 2020 11:16:35 GMT -6
The mic’d cab and the Suhr RL Thru -> Iridium are the same take. I can plug my cab into the Thru jack on the Suhr and it defeats the reactive load. I still get the line out. So I thought it was useful to compare the line out with and without the reactive load.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 24, 2020 12:19:08 GMT -6
Using the Thru jack on the Suhr running into my cab means I can mic the cab at the same time as taking the line out of the Suhr into the Iridium. Granted its not using the reactive load, but it still might be useful.
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Post by ragan on Jan 24, 2020 12:58:00 GMT -6
Ahh ok. So the “which was mic’d” is separate from the signal that went to the Iridium.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 24, 2020 13:39:38 GMT -6
Ahh ok. So the “which was mic’d” is separate from the signal that went to the Iridium. Correct. The mic’d version never went through the Iridium. Mic straight to preamp. Sorry that was confusing.
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Post by ragan on Jan 24, 2020 13:42:20 GMT -6
I think these sound good BTW. I was rushing out the door so I’ll revisit later.
I didn’t hear that Surh weirdness though?
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 24, 2020 14:02:33 GMT -6
Me neither. I think the key is cab selection. That OwnHammer pack has a TON of variations on each cab, different mics, mixed mics, etc. That’s a whole other rabbit hole. I had ran some quick tests last night with a different cab and was convinced that the reactive load box/cab IR setup was lacking depth compared to the micing an amp. Today I auditioned more cabs and now I think this is a viable method for silent amp tracking. The amps in the Iridium are very close to my ears. They definitely feel similar. I think I slightly prefer the tube amp/cab IR route, but I can’t tell if that’s just because I’m a sucker for the warm glow of tubes.
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Post by ragan on Jan 24, 2020 14:11:46 GMT -6
Me neither. I think the key is cab selection. That OwnHammer pack has a TON of variations on each cab, different mics, mixed mics, etc. That’s a whole other rabbit hole. I had ran some quick tests last night with a different cab and was convinced that the reactive load box/cab IR setup was lacking depth compared to the micing an amp. Today I auditioned more cabs and now I think this is a viable method for silent amp tracking. The amps in the Iridium are very close to my ears. They definitely feel similar. I think I slightly prefer the tube amp/cab IR route, but I can’t tell if that’s just because I’m a sucker for the warm glow of tubes. Which Suhr box are you using again? Just a single impedance or is it switchable?
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 24, 2020 14:15:39 GMT -6
It's the non-IR version, 8 ohm.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 24, 2020 14:16:26 GMT -6
I thought about getting a switchable impedance reactive box, but I've only got two amps here. And those boxes are more expensive.
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Post by longscale on Feb 4, 2020 21:18:00 GMT -6
Happened to be picking up a new guitar and saw this pedal so naturally it had to come home with me. I'm late to the party here - but this things ticks many boxes for me. Simple, small, sounds good, and is fun to play. I like that the format is so small compared to my Kemper. I can pick this guy up and travel with an electric guitar super simple now but still have usable sounds - better than useable. I've been mostly exploring the chime amp setting as the new guitar was a Ric 1993 plus.
I like that the controls are simple - but I did step in it a bit. I purchased the OwnHammer (r)Evolution bundle. Oh my. The good/awesome to having done that - I liked flipping around with the various mics (87, 121) on a 2x12 blues. These IRs sound very very good; BUT OMG there are so many options gah. The lack of options was one of the attractions to the Iridium. I wanted to spend more time playing and less time flipping through pages and pages of options.
Oh and Ragan is not helping my pedal lust - put my name on a Page. In 10 short months I'll get to hear it. I figure it *might* line up with a self Xmas gift. ;-)
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Post by longscale on Feb 6, 2020 19:11:41 GMT -6
Having gone off the deep end with third party IRs I decided to go deeper. I picked up a few packs from York Audio. The Iridium is actually one of the better boxes from a pure spec point of view at 24bit 96k and a 500 millisecond buffer. That beats the Kemper and most others as well (or is equal to something like the two notes torpedo). Not saying this box is better than all others (I've not tried anything other than this and the Kemper) as specs don't always tell the full story. I'm just clarifying that for a IR box alone the quality is nice - and sounds great to my ears. Of the third party IR sellers I've shopped none of them offer anything of higher quality (though they probably would if there was a market for it). Having a Two Notes or something else that allows more flexibility in messing with the IRs could be cool, but so far for a small box I'm impressed and having fun with it.
The software editor makes it easy to organize and load IRs too. You can quickly audition them. Once the idea of this sank in I began loading two different mics into a single cab slot (L and R) and then it feels natural from there to blend. I'm used to doing that with real amps and suddenly it all clicked. Its not complicated to do. Using the MPT IRs I can mix and match and not get any wacky phase issues. Having the ability to blend mic choices or even different speakers and cabinets in this way sounds really quite good too - I'm impressed.
What at first seemed like more complexity and choices with the third party IRs; in the end turned into more fun and sounds out of this box. I'm enjoying it quite a bit.
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Post by Jason on Feb 6, 2020 21:05:17 GMT -6
Having gone off the deep end with third party IRs I decided to go deeper. I picked up a few packs from York Audio. The Iridium is actually one of the better boxes from a pure spec point of view at 24bit 96k and a 500 millisecond buffer. That beats the Kemper and most others as well (or is equal to something like the two notes torpedo). Not saying this box is better than all others (I've not tried anything other than this and the Kemper) as specs don't always tell the full story. I'm just clarifying that for a IR box alone the quality is nice - and sounds great to my ears. Of the third party IR sellers I've shopped none of them offer anything of higher quality (though they probably would if there was a market for it). Having a Two Notes or something else that allows more flexibility in messing with the IRs could be cool, but so far for a small box I'm impressed and having fun with it. The software editor makes it easy to organize and load IRs too. You can quickly audition them. Once the idea of this sank in I began loading two different mics into a single cab slot (L and R) and then it feels natural from there to blend. I'm used to doing that with real amps and suddenly it all clicked. Its not complicated to do. Using the MPT IRs I can mix and match and not get any wacky phase issues. Having the ability to blend mic choices or even different speakers and cabinets in this way sounds really quite good too - I'm impressed. What at first seemed like more complexity and choices with the third party IRs; in the end turned into more fun and sounds out of this box. I'm enjoying it quite a bit. I concur! I’ve used some OwnHammer muti-mic’ed “pre-mixed” IRs with fantastic results! On the other hand, I plugged the Out L with a balanced cable into a line level input on my interface...the Iridium has some normal ground hum when monitoring through it’s built-in headphone output, but trying to go line-level out to line-level in to my interface introduces some extra and louder, almost rhythmic, static noise that is nearly impossible to gate out. Any ideas? I’m going to try unbalanced cable out to an instrument-level input on my interface next and see what happens after reading the Strymon FAQs this evening...no bueno for recording if I can’t resolve it.
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Post by ragan on Feb 6, 2020 21:38:51 GMT -6
Having gone off the deep end with third party IRs I decided to go deeper. I picked up a few packs from York Audio. The Iridium is actually one of the better boxes from a pure spec point of view at 24bit 96k and a 500 millisecond buffer. That beats the Kemper and most others as well (or is equal to something like the two notes torpedo). Not saying this box is better than all others (I've not tried anything other than this and the Kemper) as specs don't always tell the full story. I'm just clarifying that for a IR box alone the quality is nice - and sounds great to my ears. Of the third party IR sellers I've shopped none of them offer anything of higher quality (though they probably would if there was a market for it). Having a Two Notes or something else that allows more flexibility in messing with the IRs could be cool, but so far for a small box I'm impressed and having fun with it. The software editor makes it easy to organize and load IRs too. You can quickly audition them. Once the idea of this sank in I began loading two different mics into a single cab slot (L and R) and then it feels natural from there to blend. I'm used to doing that with real amps and suddenly it all clicked. Its not complicated to do. Using the MPT IRs I can mix and match and not get any wacky phase issues. Having the ability to blend mic choices or even different speakers and cabinets in this way sounds really quite good too - I'm impressed. What at first seemed like more complexity and choices with the third party IRs; in the end turned into more fun and sounds out of this box. I'm enjoying it quite a bit. What is the auditioning process?
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Post by longscale on Feb 6, 2020 21:43:36 GMT -6
I concur! I’ve used some OwnHammer muti-mic’ed “pre-mixed” IRs with fantastic results! On the other hand, I plugged the Out L with a balanced cable into a line level input on my interface...the Iridium has some normal ground hum when monitoring through it’s built-in headphone output, but trying to go line-level out to line-level in to my interface introduces some extra and louder, almost rhythmic, static noise that is nearly impossible to gate out. Any ideas? I’m going to try unbalanced cable out to an instrument-level input on my interface next and see what happens after reading the Strymon FAQs this evening...no bueno for recording if I can’t resolve it. The Iridium only supplies unbalanced 1/4" output. You can set the output level trim in three steps (-10dB, 0dB, +3dB). There is a good FAQ section that covers that on the "support" page. I run mine with 1/4" unbalanced cables to a Hi-Z in on my API 512c's (which is what I typically record my electric guitars with a real amp and mic setup).
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Post by Jason on Feb 6, 2020 21:58:54 GMT -6
Having gone off the deep end with third party IRs I decided to go deeper. I picked up a few packs from York Audio. The Iridium is actually one of the better boxes from a pure spec point of view at 24bit 96k and a 500 millisecond buffer. That beats the Kemper and most others as well (or is equal to something like the two notes torpedo). Not saying this box is better than all others (I've not tried anything other than this and the Kemper) as specs don't always tell the full story. I'm just clarifying that for a IR box alone the quality is nice - and sounds great to my ears. Of the third party IR sellers I've shopped none of them offer anything of higher quality (though they probably would if there was a market for it). Having a Two Notes or something else that allows more flexibility in messing with the IRs could be cool, but so far for a small box I'm impressed and having fun with it. The software editor makes it easy to organize and load IRs too. You can quickly audition them. Once the idea of this sank in I began loading two different mics into a single cab slot (L and R) and then it feels natural from there to blend. I'm used to doing that with real amps and suddenly it all clicked. Its not complicated to do. Using the MPT IRs I can mix and match and not get any wacky phase issues. Having the ability to blend mic choices or even different speakers and cabinets in this way sounds really quite good too - I'm impressed. What at first seemed like more complexity and choices with the third party IRs; in the end turned into more fun and sounds out of this box. I'm enjoying it quite a bit. What is the auditioning process? Thanks, longscale. ragan: simply drop your IR from the browser into one of the 9 cab slots via the Impulse Manager (with your Iridium connected to your computer via USB). Let me know if you need the DL link for the Catalina beta; it is working well on my MacOS 10.15.x machine, while the officially released 1.00 Impulse Manager available via the Strymon website does not work with Catalina on my machine (2019 Macbook Pro 16-inch; will not allow auditioning IRs or sync changes to the pedal).
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Post by longscale on Feb 6, 2020 22:10:00 GMT -6
What is the auditioning process? You use their Impulse Manager software. The IRs are on the left and you can drag them into a cab position/slot. From there you can use the arrow keys on the keyboard to flip between them in the IR list on the left. If you are modifying just one slot; say I have a 57 on the L, and I'm wanting to see what pairs with it on the R (421, or a 121 as an example). I drag the 421 IR into the R position, and from there I can then use the arrow keys again to run through the possible choices that I have loaded up in the IR list (up and down arrow keys on the Mac) for just that one channel of the cab, the other side (L) remains the same. I have the USB cable connected to the box and it will just keep up with the changes I'm making with the arrow keys. When I hit on a combo I like I create a "collection" to save it away so I can fetch it quickly at another date (and typically I slap that identifier name into PT (in the "comments" on the track).
Just to be clear when I'm doing multi mic things I do not run that as a stereo spread. I assign L and R to separate tracks in PT and then use the faders to mix the levels how I want (mono signal). You can pull up a dialog in the Impulse Manager and do that mixing there (mod level, bass, treble) by clicking the "i" button in the software too if you wanted to set that balance up for a live rig. It is too easy for me to forget I've done that for recording so I don't mess with that and treat this like a real amp with two mics as I would normally. Old dog, new tricks, hard. Nothing prevents you from running a stereo spread - I'm just used to doing this mic combo thing with a resulting mono image.
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Post by indiehouse on Feb 6, 2020 22:11:37 GMT -6
Having gone off the deep end with third party IRs I decided to go deeper. I picked up a few packs from York Audio. The Iridium is actually one of the better boxes from a pure spec point of view at 24bit 96k and a 500 millisecond buffer. That beats the Kemper and most others as well (or is equal to something like the two notes torpedo). Not saying this box is better than all others (I've not tried anything other than this and the Kemper) as specs don't always tell the full story. I'm just clarifying that for a IR box alone the quality is nice - and sounds great to my ears. Of the third party IR sellers I've shopped none of them offer anything of higher quality (though they probably would if there was a market for it). Having a Two Notes or something else that allows more flexibility in messing with the IRs could be cool, but so far for a small box I'm impressed and having fun with it. The software editor makes it easy to organize and load IRs too. You can quickly audition them. Once the idea of this sank in I began loading two different mics into a single cab slot (L and R) and then it feels natural from there to blend. I'm used to doing that with real amps and suddenly it all clicked. Its not complicated to do. Using the MPT IRs I can mix and match and not get any wacky phase issues. Having the ability to blend mic choices or even different speakers and cabinets in this way sounds really quite good too - I'm impressed. What at first seemed like more complexity and choices with the third party IRs; in the end turned into more fun and sounds out of this box. I'm enjoying it quite a bit. OwnHammers new pack has 24bit, 96k IR’s.
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Post by longscale on Feb 6, 2020 22:17:28 GMT -6
ragan : simply drop your IR from the browser into one of the 9 cab slots via the Impulse Manager (with your Iridium connected to your computer via USB). Let me know if you need the DL link for the Catalina beta; it is working well on my MacOS 10.15.x machine, while the officially released 1.00 Impulse Manager available via the Strymon website does not work with Catalina. Thats odd. FWIW I'm running Catalina (10.15.3) and the Impulse Manager version 1.00.0 here. It sometimes drops the midi sync - but in general remains solid (unlike PT which is starting to irk me).
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Post by longscale on Feb 6, 2020 22:20:29 GMT -6
OwnHammers new pack has 24bit, 96k IR’s. Yes they do. I have the (r)Evolution pack and I'm trying to find the time to explore it all. it is deep. many choices. sounds great to me. I've mostly been messing with the Vox cabs in it. The Haas files are fun and sound good.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 10, 2020 9:47:50 GMT -6
Any of you Iridium guys able to record something for me?
I'm just looking to hear how it handles punky power chord riffing on the Vox and Marshall settings.
Something along these lines.
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