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Post by drbill on Jan 12, 2020 14:18:08 GMT -6
Hi Howie! The Iridium has line level outputs. I'd start with the Iridium plugged into the tracking inputs of the Silver Bullet in N>A mode. (That's where I'd start at least). Adjust Iridium output and SB input gain / outs to taste. Good luck! bp Thanks Dr Bill. One thing - I think when I got the Silver Bullet we moved that little jumper 'J14' into what is called fulcrum mode, I believe.. So can I still plug into the tracking inputs of the Silver Bullet? I'd love to plug into the S. Bullet like that. (Sorry Real Gear members if this is going to much into the Silver Bullet weeds) Howie - Fulcrum mode puts the mic inputs (for the additional gain needed for passive summers) out the Mix output instead of going to the tracking outputs where mic signals would normally go. So going in Tracking inputs with the Iridium should still put you on the tracking outputs. Good luck.
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Post by ragan on Jan 16, 2020 0:10:54 GMT -6
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 16, 2020 8:31:16 GMT -6
I like it Ragan, thanks for posting that. It does feels a little two dimensional to me though. Probably because I'm used to recording with a mic a foot away from a speaker, so it's a more natural sound. I like the room reverbs that Strymon offers too, but wonder if something like a pinch of the Ocean Way plug-in or some Seventh Heaven reverb might round it out a bit more.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 16, 2020 8:43:32 GMT -6
Very cool! I really dig your style, man. I don't know if I agree with the 2 dimensional comment. Sounds dimensional enough to me. Like a good close mic'd amp.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 16, 2020 8:47:31 GMT -6
I think it sounds money. I need one.
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Post by ragan on Jan 16, 2020 10:13:05 GMT -6
I like it Ragan, thanks for posting that. It does feels a little two dimensional to me though. Probably because I'm used to recording with a mic a foot away from a speaker, so it's a more natural sound. I like the room reverbs that Strymon offers too, but wonder if something like a pinch of the Ocean Way plug-in or some Seventh Heaven reverb might round it out a bit more. Yeah it's definitely a close mic'd sound, which I like. Though Seventh Heaven is so good that I actually do use it now for room ambience (as opposed to many other reverbs that I got intending to use for that but always ended up taking them off most everything). There's a dash of Lustrous Plate that the Gretsch on the right is slightly feeding into. I never liked the sound of Ocean Way, though it's been a few years since I last used it.
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Post by notneeson on Jan 16, 2020 12:15:47 GMT -6
I like it Ragan, thanks for posting that. It does feels a little two dimensional to me though. Probably because I'm used to recording with a mic a foot away from a speaker, so it's a more natural sound. I like the room reverbs that Strymon offers too, but wonder if something like a pinch of the Ocean Way plug-in or some Seventh Heaven reverb might round it out a bit more. Yeah it's definitely a close mic'd sound, which I like. Though Seventh Heaven is so good that I actually do use it now for room ambience (as opposed to many other reverbs that I got intending to use for that but always ended up taking them off most everything). There's a dash of Lustrous Plate that the Gretsch on the right is slightly feeding into. I never liked the sound of Ocean Way, though it's been a few years since I last used it. This gets at something I've been turning over in my mind a lot lately: even with a close mic'd amp you still get room interactions and sims/reverbs can't really do that convincingly. I like IRs but they're never quite the same as a source in an actual space. The popular cabinet IRs seem to have very little "room" to them. Maybe there are some done in killer rooms with the mics further back, I'd have to try it. In this vid, you might not like the sound of the iso booth that the Plexi is in— I hear it as a little bit of slightly "boxy" sounding room interaction, but also adds character and (my opinion) sounds more real than the Helix for that reason. And yes, maybe you'd like the Helix better in the mix. I could see blending both, frankly.
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Post by ragan on Jan 16, 2020 12:27:06 GMT -6
Yeah it's definitely a close mic'd sound, which I like. Though Seventh Heaven is so good that I actually do use it now for room ambience (as opposed to many other reverbs that I got intending to use for that but always ended up taking them off most everything). There's a dash of Lustrous Plate that the Gretsch on the right is slightly feeding into. I never liked the sound of Ocean Way, though it's been a few years since I last used it. This gets at something I've been turning over in my mind a lot lately: even with a close mic'd amp you still get room interactions and sims/reverbs can't really do that convincingly. I like IRs but they're never quite the same as a source in an actual space. The popular cabinet IRs seem to have very little "room" to them. Maybe there are some done in killer rooms with the mics further back, I'd have to try it. In this vid, you might not like the sound of the iso booth that the Plexi is in— I hear it as a little bit of slightly "boxy" sounding room interaction, but also adds character and (my opinion) sounds more real than the Helix for that reason. And yes, maybe you'd like the Helix better in the mix. I could see blending both, frankly. Yeah that's a cool comparison. You hear the phasey/comb filtery stuff in the mic'd Plexi. Reminds me some of my old ISO cab. I like the Helix tone better full stop once they dialed it in. Impressive. If I were listening blind I would have guessed the Helix was the amp and the actual amp was the sim.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 17, 2020 22:03:28 GMT -6
'm trying to run a Suhr Reactive box from my amp to the Iridium to use the cab side only. However, I performed the power on mode by holding the on switch during power up and using the drive knob to change the color of the favorite switch to green. Unfortunately, the amps are still active during use.
Amp bypass mode confirmed as the 'On' switch color is now green.
The Drive and Tone knobs do nothing, but the amp sounds change pretty drastically when toggling the amp selector. Especially the Punch. Sounds real scooped like that amp would. I think some of the terrible overdrive sounds is me clipping the Iridium because the amps are still active. Amp on amp.
Oh, and the Strymon firmware update software is Mac OS 10.14 and above. That’s some BS.
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Post by ragan on Jan 17, 2020 22:11:49 GMT -6
'm trying to run a Suhr Reactive box from my amp to the Iridium to use the cab side only. However, I performed the power on mode by holding the on switch during power up and using the drive knob to change the color of the favorite switch to green. Unfortunately, the amps are still active during use. Amp bypass mode confirmed as the 'On' switch color is now green. The Drive and Tone knobs do nothing, but the amp sounds change pretty drastically when toggling the amp selector. Especially the Punch. Sounds real scooped like that amp would. I think some of the terrible overdrive sounds is me clipping the Iridium because the amps are still active. Amp on amp. Oh, and the Strymon firmware update software is Mac OS 10.14 and above. That’s some BS. Does the amp switch maybe just select which three cabs are available on the cab switch?
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 18, 2020 5:15:39 GMT -6
'm trying to run a Suhr Reactive box from my amp to the Iridium to use the cab side only. However, I performed the power on mode by holding the on switch during power up and using the drive knob to change the color of the favorite switch to green. Unfortunately, the amps are still active during use. Amp bypass mode confirmed as the 'On' switch color is now green. The Drive and Tone knobs do nothing, but the amp sounds change pretty drastically when toggling the amp selector. Especially the Punch. Sounds real scooped like that amp would. I think some of the terrible overdrive sounds is me clipping the Iridium because the amps are still active. Amp on amp. Oh, and the Strymon firmware update software is Mac OS 10.14 and above. That’s some BS. Does the amp switch maybe just select which three cabs are available on the cab switch? That’s what I thought. But man, my amp sound changes DRASTICALLY. I switch down to the Marshall and sounds scooped like a Marshall. Plus, it sounds like ass. I’m pretty sure I’m hearing clipping or some sort of harsh distortion that’s not the amp overdrive. FYI, I’m playing a Swart AST.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 18, 2020 5:53:56 GMT -6
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Post by ragan on Jan 18, 2020 16:46:43 GMT -6
Yeah that's a weird change at 0:22. Hmm...
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 19, 2020 14:00:37 GMT -6
I just tried to download the impulse manager to change cab sounds. System requirements Mac OS 10.14.5 (10.15 NOT supported). This is bonkers! Basically only compatible with a single Mac OS version!
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 19, 2020 16:47:53 GMT -6
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Post by ragan on Jan 19, 2020 17:05:47 GMT -6
So is that clip you switching from Round to Chime to Punch then, all with the same (A) cab? Third one (which I presume is Punch) does still drop in volume and get a little more saturated. Doesn't sound as dramatic as amp-->amp but something is definitely up. Have you talked to Strymon support?
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 19, 2020 17:33:45 GMT -6
They are the same cab, switching from Round to Chime to Punch. Supposedly set to the same volume (you can change that in the software). If nothing else, the highs are different on the Chime and Punch. I've been sending emails to Strymon with my testings. I probably won't hear back till Tuesday.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 19, 2020 20:57:36 GMT -6
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Post by ragan on Jan 19, 2020 23:06:28 GMT -6
It's a little bit different from what my ear associates with the usual amp distortion. Doesn't sound bad but a little unique. Have you tried just running straight into the DAW from the load box and running that through IRs in the DAW? Just to rule out the Iridium doing anything weird.
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Post by ragan on Jan 19, 2020 23:13:43 GMT -6
Just listened to some (mic'd) AST demos. I've noticed it before but Swart does tend to have a sort of unique breakup. Almost a little sizzle to it (in a really nice way, killer amps). I heard some of that in your clip but I do also hear something a little weird and not like the mic'd sound in the 'hair'.
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Post by gwlee7 on Jan 20, 2020 6:23:08 GMT -6
indiehouseYou are having these issues in using a separate cab sim in combination with the iridium and not with the iridium itself, correct?
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 20, 2020 6:51:21 GMT -6
indiehouseYou are having these issues in using a separate cab sim in combination with the iridium and not with the iridium itself, correct? I am using the Iridium for the cab sims, in amp bypass mode. Taking line level from my amp via a Suhr Reactive Box.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 20, 2020 14:37:03 GMT -6
FWIW, I think the distortion is coming from the Suhr Reactive Box. Something isn't right. I found a sample from another guy who is having the same issue and it's the same distorted sound. I'm moving this convo over to the Reactive Load Box thread to not clutter this Iridium thread.
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Post by ragan on Jan 20, 2020 14:41:43 GMT -6
FWIW, I think the distortion is coming from the Suhr Reactive Box. Something isn't right. I found a sample from another guy who is having the same issue and it's the same distorted sound. I'm moving this convo over to the Reactive Load Box thread to not clutter this Iridium thread. Interesting. If you just tracked straight out of the Suhr and then put the cab IR on in the DAW you'd know for sure. I bet you're right.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 20, 2020 15:33:05 GMT -6
FWIW, I think the distortion is coming from the Suhr Reactive Box. Something isn't right. I found a sample from another guy who is having the same issue and it's the same distorted sound. I'm moving this convo over to the Reactive Load Box thread to not clutter this Iridium thread. Interesting. If you just tracked straight out of the Suhr and then put the cab IR on in the DAW you'd know for sure. I bet you're right. Yep, I did that this morning. Had to track down a free IR loader plugin and some free cab IR's. But yeah, same distortion. I think I'm hearing it on my Champ into the Suhr, though not quite as pronounced as the champ is only a little 4 ohm 5 watt amp.
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