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Post by bartacusad on Oct 16, 2019 12:52:42 GMT -6
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Post by drbill on Oct 16, 2019 13:02:44 GMT -6
Yes. Def looks sweet. But sad to think the industry has sunk so low as they will end up selling most to schools, etc.. I can't see a bunch of folks lining up to plunk down $50k+ for their studio console.
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Post by Quint on Oct 16, 2019 13:05:38 GMT -6
Have they announced prices yet?
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Post by sirthought on Oct 16, 2019 13:17:04 GMT -6
It's $50K, which when you break it down at their prices, makes sense.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 16, 2019 13:25:14 GMT -6
I've always liked SSL's, and if their new Drive function on their preamps really sounds good, then it deals with the primary issue of not using SSL to track with.
I sure wish I had a reason and cash to own something like this, ( and the studio that goes with it ;-)
I wonder how would this compare with something like the newest Audient console?
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Post by bartacusad on Oct 16, 2019 13:57:21 GMT -6
Yes. Def looks sweet. But sad to think the industry has sunk so low as they will end up selling most to schools, etc.. I can't see a bunch of folks lining up to plunk down $50k+ for their studio console. Yeah, I was thinking it would good for recording schools too. Would be cool for tracking though too. Even at this low of a price I couldn’t really see me plopping down $50k to mix through it though unless I just had money to burn. It’s always the recall issue that keeps me from committing to breaking it out on a desk anymore. I’d try it once though through this bad boy : )
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Post by soundintheround on Oct 16, 2019 14:21:39 GMT -6
I've always liked SSL's, and if their new Drive function on their preamps really sounds good, then it deals with the primary issue of not using SSL to track with. I sure wish I had a reason and cash to own something like this, ( and the studio that goes with it ;-) I wonder how would this compare with something like the newest Audient console? I'm not sure people use the Drive of an SSL for tracking. I thought it was for driving things at the mixing stage. (similar to Softube Console) Even with this console, I would think people still would want to track with some Neve/API/etc more flavor, this isn't neccesarily replacing that from what I can tell. I think this is just at the edge of what could be considered affordable for some. Would have been great for at least a few motorized faders.
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Post by drbill on Oct 16, 2019 14:44:22 GMT -6
$50k with no DAW control, no automation, no recall? And another $20-30k to hook up all the i/o with wire? Who is the market?
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Post by mdmitch2 on Oct 16, 2019 14:54:26 GMT -6
$50k with no DAW control, no automation, no recall? And another $20-30k to hook up all the i/o with wire? Who is the market? I think if you compare it to the API 1608 or the RND with the same channel count, the SSL is a good bit cheaper. But I'm with you, if I'm spending $50k+ on an SSL, it better have total recall.
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Post by soundintheround on Oct 16, 2019 19:13:00 GMT -6
Although it'd be cool to see the SSL faders dance in real-time.....this is probably how they kept some of the costs down.
I think for another $700 a little Softube Console 1 Fader pack to do some volume rides at mixdown wouldn't be end of the world.
Having REAL faders has obvious advantages. Can do zero latency gain rides into DAW and what you hear is what you get. Sometimes the digital faders can have slight latency which kinda sucks.
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Post by javamad on Oct 17, 2019 1:36:40 GMT -6
That modular center section is a great idea
If its $50k though without a patchbay it will get to 65-70 fast and other options start to come into focus ...
I look forward to reading the manual when it comes out to see what tricks it has up its sleeve
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Post by jeremygillespie on Oct 17, 2019 6:40:35 GMT -6
I’ve worked on the J, K, AWS, and Duality consoles and think they are all fantastic, the J sonically wasn’t as good as the others but it was still a big boy console with amazing features.
I guess I just don’t get this one. The center section is cool, but having things like a signal gen that only works at 400hZ seems like a really odd choice to me - especially if you’re calibrating tape machines a lot.
If they wanted to go modular, they could do things like making the mic pres optional to save folks money if they don’t need them.
Now, if I’m mixing on an ssl, perhaps having the “0” option for the faders would make sense - but ONLY if they integrated some sort of delta control to automate, similar to what the sigma does, but have it controlled ITB and not in the console itself.
Same goes for the total recall. Why would I want to have 32 channels of eq and sends when I can’t jump around from session to session like so many mix engineers have to do these days? I feel like it would have been better served to maybe have digital controlled eq’s much like the Neve Genysis uses. Digital encoders on each channel that control the actual hardware eq, being able to buy banks of 8 at a time. Put the recall in a plugin and allow it to be saved in your session so when you open PT or Cubase or whatever, everything follows.
Then give 8 motorized faders in the center section that you can assign to individual channels or groups to have a little bit of tactile feel when you really want to ride a vocal in real time.
I get that to fully load up 32 channels with those features would be quite expensive, but if you could make it expandable it would make it a much more realistic purchase for smaller studios and the workflow would be fantastic. Moving faders are cool on every channel, but it’s a bit of a frivolous expense at this point in time.
At some point, The prices for a used AWS are going to drop low enough to make them a viable option for more people, and that’s still the best option IMO.
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Post by adamjbrass on Oct 17, 2019 6:49:56 GMT -6
I’m just shocked people are still making in-Line consoles. Seems like everyone thought that was a bad idea. Now it’s back to being a good idea. It’s still a good idea. My head hurts.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Oct 17, 2019 7:05:06 GMT -6
I’m just shocked people are still making in-Line consoles. Seems like everyone thought that was a bad idea. Now it’s back to being a good idea. It’s still a good idea. My head hurts. I never understood why they stopped. With something like the 1608, if you’re tracking, you can’t bring your recorded tracks back onto faders and throw a mix together... just seems odd and makes it completely non-functional for me. At the very least they could throw some monitor section faders like they have on The Box on the right side of the console and give you some flexibility.
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Post by adamjbrass on Oct 17, 2019 8:06:34 GMT -6
I’m just shocked people are still making in-Line consoles. Seems like everyone thought that was a bad idea. Now it’s back to being a good idea. It’s still a good idea. My head hurts. I never understood why they stopped. With something like the 1608, if you’re tracking, you can’t bring your recorded tracks back onto faders and throw a mix together... just seems odd and makes it completely non-functional for me. At the very least they could throw some monitor section faders like they have on The Box on the right side of the console and give you some flexibility. You can, you would just use the "EQ In" patch point, whilst your preamp output feeds your recorder. I agree though, its simply weird that many console designers threw out this concept.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 17, 2019 9:51:21 GMT -6
I never understood why they stopped. With something like the 1608, if you’re tracking, you can’t bring your recorded tracks back onto faders and throw a mix together... just seems odd and makes it completely non-functional for me. At the very least they could throw some monitor section faders like they have on The Box on the right side of the console and give you some flexibility. You can, you would just use the "EQ In" patch point, whilst your preamp output feeds your recorder. I agree though, its simply weird that many console designers threw out this concept. Then you can't eq to tape though. What fun is that!
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Post by adamjbrass on Oct 17, 2019 9:59:42 GMT -6
You can, you would just use the "EQ In" patch point, whilst your preamp output feeds your recorder. I agree though, its simply weird that many console designers threw out this concept. Then you can't eq to tape though. What fun is that! A smart audio engineer will always find a way
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Post by Ward on Oct 17, 2019 10:20:25 GMT -6
You can, you would just use the "EQ In" patch point, whilst your preamp output feeds your recorder. I agree though, its simply weird that many console designers threw out this concept. Then you can't eq to tape though. What fun is that! and then I heard from every corner of the room: "Challenge accepted"
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Post by jeremygillespie on Oct 17, 2019 11:22:57 GMT -6
Then you can't eq to tape though. What fun is that! A smart audio engineer will always find a way True... but still limiting. Throw an extra pair of faders on there, and give the option to put the eq in the channel path or the monitor path like ssl does and it makes it a much more functional console.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 12:39:47 GMT -6
If buying a console i would prefer a TG12345 16 channel reissue at a reasonable price.. (one can dream).
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 17, 2019 17:51:19 GMT -6
I didn't see the SSL Origin at AES. I'll have to look around more tomorrow, I wasn't feeling well today. API has a new console that's an upgrade from the 1608 that I believe is inline. Will confirm tomorrow.
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 17, 2019 18:13:11 GMT -6
Wish it had recall at least.
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Post by Tbone81 on Oct 17, 2019 19:26:25 GMT -6
Seems like a nice enough console, it has a lot features that I would like if I was freelancing at a studio with one...but if I was in the market for a console, and wanted to buy new, I'd want something more akin the Audient Zen. Something that had some type of DAW support. Seems like they could've put a Nucleus style controller in the center section pretty easily. Or, they couldn't added preamps and/or eq to the Matrix.
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Post by Blackdawg on Oct 17, 2019 21:36:03 GMT -6
Even the Duality doesn't do full recall. I mean it'll take a snapshot of what the EQ and Sends and stuff were at but you still have to manually reset it by hand.
But no flying faders...super lame.
And drive? Pffff. I NEVER used that crap on the ssl preamps. Didn't seem to do much and its not like the preamps sucked anyways. Always sounded just good.
I think the Audiant is a better buy for a smaller studio. At least it has some faders that'll do DAW control.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Oct 18, 2019 9:41:28 GMT -6
So, after seeing it and messing with it a bit and some discussions with some engineer buddies - seems like you could use it as a decent mix console IF
-you’re old school and don’t do recalls (yeah right...)
- you have an extra 32 inputs to your DAW. - Set the faders at unity with the faders bypass button -Throw a Sigma or two into the center section and use delta control for automation. -get your mix happening, then print all 32 faders back into pt on new channels. - make future mix changes from those stems
- use each channel on a hardware insert.
None of these seem intuitive for me, and even in a conversation with Don W he admitted that it’s a “tracking console”.
I did get a chance to mess about with the SSL Fusion though. And now I want one. Son of a bitch!
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