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Post by gouge on Sept 22, 2019 18:45:55 GMT -6
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Post by allbuttonmode on Sept 23, 2019 7:16:36 GMT -6
If they get some really unique gear, I can see this being very interesting. At least for testing out gear for future purchase. Not sure how well it will work for actual mixing, though.
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Post by askomiko on Sept 23, 2019 8:20:42 GMT -6
I took part in the early access for this, it worked pretty good. Of course, the physical amount of gear makes it slightly inconvenient if there's a queue for the piece you'd want to use. How come we don't have a software for remote studio yet btw? I'd live to sit in my home and guide and track a band recording in a room across the country. Enough sound isolation for once  |
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Post by allbuttonmode on Sept 23, 2019 8:45:04 GMT -6
How come we don't have a software for remote studio yet btw? I'd live to sit in my home and guide and track a band recording in a room across the country. Enough sound isolation for once
Cubase VST Connect is close.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 23, 2019 13:18:11 GMT -6
Really interesting idea but I don't see it being commercially viable, for the simple reason that if it ever catches on it will probably choke - I don't see how the amount of gear available could keep up with the demand if any number of people wanted to use it for full sessions - there'd be a line around the virtual block and scheduling would become a nightmare. And you'd need to have a MOUNTAIN of gear to accommodate any number of people at the same time. Might be useful for demoing gear though.
The other, probably less important problem that I see is that it obviously removes the physical element from using the hardware. Still, it's a really interesting idea, especially if some of the more esoteric pieces of gear were available - Compex, Blackbird SR-7, BA6, etc.
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Post by christopher on Sept 23, 2019 14:09:34 GMT -6
I was thinking same thing. But what if someone like UA buys the tech, then sets up a processing farm with stuff waiting to be sold? I’m not sure we are there yet, but say.. $1/minute? You cue, print, log off? Maybe that’s too high a price for right now..
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Post by notneeson on Sept 23, 2019 15:04:45 GMT -6
I'd be WAY be more interested in real plate, or chamber access.
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Post by wiz on Sept 23, 2019 16:05:59 GMT -6
Really interesting idea but I don't see it being commercially viable, for the simple reason that if it ever catches on it will probably choke - I don't see how the amount of gear available could keep up with the demand if any number of people wanted to use it for full sessions - there'd be a line around the virtual block and scheduling would become a nightmare. And you'd need to have a MOUNTAIN of gear to accommodate any number of people at the same time. Might be useful for demoing gear though.
The other, probably less important problem that I see is that it obviously removes the physical element from using the hardware. Still, it's a really interesting idea, especially if some of the more esoteric pieces of gear were available - Compex, Blackbird SR-7, BA6, etc.
What about dealers or manufacturers start using it somI can demo the gear? cheers Wiz |
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Post by popmann on Sept 23, 2019 19:09:03 GMT -6
What about dealers or manufacturers start using it somI can demo the gear? cheers Wiz THAT...would be a pretty cool use of this tech. I have some tech "questions" about how they do level calibration and ADA...but...yeah. What a neat idea. |
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 23, 2019 21:40:29 GMT -6
Really interesting idea but I don't see it being commercially viable, for the simple reason that if it ever catches on it will probably choke - I don't see how the amount of gear available could keep up with the demand if any number of people wanted to use it for full sessions - there'd be a line around the virtual block and scheduling would become a nightmare. And you'd need to have a MOUNTAIN of gear to accommodate any number of people at the same time. Might be useful for demoing gear though.
The other, probably less important problem that I see is that it obviously removes the physical element from using the hardware. Still, it's a really interesting idea, especially if some of the more esoteric pieces of gear were available - Compex, Blackbird SR-7, BA6, etc.
What about dealers or manufacturers start using it somI can demo the gear? cheers Wiz Could be a good sales tool, yeah! |
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 23, 2019 21:43:11 GMT -6
I was thinking same thing. But what if someone like UA buys the tech, then sets up a processing farm with stuff waiting to be sold? I’m not sure we are there yet, but say.. $1/minute? You cue, print, log off? Maybe that’s too high a price for right now.. $1 a minute? I don't think so. And having it welded to one particular company like UA? That would pretty much kill any interest I might have.
EDIT: Remember that $1 a minute is $60 an hour. You can rent a whole studio for what you'd be paying for one or two pieces of gear.
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Post by nudwig on Sept 24, 2019 10:48:07 GMT -6
I gave their Silver Bullet a test against the same settings with mine. Worked pretty well, however I already knew where to park the controls and with a piece like the Silver Bullet you want it on the whole time with mixing. In the 15 minute window I had I was just able to set it up and run a pass of the song. I don't know how useful it'd be in an actual mixing situation. Definitely cool for demoing gear you're interested in though.
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Post by lpedrum on Sept 24, 2019 12:00:54 GMT -6
Really interesting idea but I don't see it being commercially viable, for the simple reason that if it ever catches on it will probably choke - I don't see how the amount of gear available could keep up with the demand if any number of people wanted to use it for full sessions - there'd be a line around the virtual block and scheduling would become a nightmare. And you'd need to have a MOUNTAIN of gear to accommodate any number of people at the same time. Might be useful for demoing gear though.
The other, probably less important problem that I see is that it obviously removes the physical element from using the hardware. Still, it's a really interesting idea, especially if some of the more esoteric pieces of gear were available - Compex, Blackbird SR-7, BA6, etc.
Yeah--Fairchild, plates, reamping guitars through a vintage deluxe etc. That could all be interesting. I'm not sure I'd pay to run my tracks though an 1176 because there are some many reasonable options out there already to achieve that sound. I also agree that using this while tracking a session is hard to imagine. But it could be a cool mixing option. |
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Post by lpedrum on Sept 24, 2019 12:08:16 GMT -6
This makes me wonder if larger studios have ever tried this as an income stream. If you're an established studio with racks of vintage gear why not make them available on line to help keep the doors open? Can you imagine Abbey Road offering this service? Good Lord!
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 24, 2019 13:43:51 GMT -6
This makes me wonder if larger studios have ever tried this as an income stream. If you're an established studio with racks of vintage gear why not make them available on line to help keep the doors open? Can you imagine Abbey Road offering this service? Good Lord! What I have trouble imagining is this actually being a viable business - it's the kind of thing that would be absolutely great on a small acale but as soon as it starts becoming popular it chokes because it doesn't scale well - it would require constant expansion of both the actual gear and of the infrastructure that proviodes the access. It would be really nice if I'm wrong about this but I just don't see it.
For similar reasons I can't see an established studio wanting to be involved - too much competition for access between online users tying up gear that's needed for real sessions - and people who book sessions at major studios probably wouldn't be exactly thrilled if the gear they expected to have access to at said major studio was getting tied up by online reservations. By the same token online customers probably wouldn't be happy if the gear they wanted to use was reserved for large blocks of time by real sessions, as people who book sessions at major studios are wont to do.
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Post by lpedrum on Sept 24, 2019 14:22:55 GMT -6
This makes me wonder if larger studios have ever tried this as an income stream. If you're an established studio with racks of vintage gear why not make them available on line to help keep the doors open? Can you imagine Abbey Road offering this service? Good Lord! What I have trouble imagining is this actually being a viable business - it's the kind of thing that would be absolutely great on a small acale but as soon as it starts becoming popular it chokes because it doesn't scale well - it would require constant expansion of both the actual gear and of the infrastructure that proviodes the access. It would be really nice if I'm wrong about this but I just don't see it.
For similar reasons I can't see an established studio wanting to be involved - too much competition for access between online users tying up gear that's needed for real sessions - and people who book sessions at major studios probably wouldn't be exactly thrilled if the gear they expected to have access to at said major studio was getting tied up by online reservations. By the same token online customers probably wouldn't be happy if the gear they wanted to use was reserved for large blocks of time by real sessions, as people who book sessions at major studios are wont to do.
Good points. But if many of the large studios are closing or have closed why not experiment with it as at least a small part of the income stream? Set up a knowledgable but eager, young engineer to work 2pm to 8pm running tracks through gear. I don't own a large studio and there may be many reasons why it's not feasible. But if someone has figured out a way to make money doing this what's the harm in investigating it? |
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Post by popmann on Sept 24, 2019 14:46:29 GMT -6
I think the problem is no one is running tracks through gear for you in off hours--it's LIVE access to the gear to change settings on your client machine. Those pieces won't be useable to the studio itself. They'll be away somewhere connected to a bunch of HD IOs with modified faceplates for robotic control....or however the back end runs.
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Post by gouge on Sept 24, 2019 16:47:57 GMT -6
doesn't this plug into the daw controller so you mix in realtime through hardware over the interwebs.
surely the way of the future.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 24, 2019 17:38:02 GMT -6
What I have trouble imagining is this actually being a viable business - it's the kind of thing that would be absolutely great on a small acale but as soon as it starts becoming popular it chokes because it doesn't scale well - it would require constant expansion of both the actual gear and of the infrastructure that proviodes the access. It would be really nice if I'm wrong about this but I just don't see it.
For similar reasons I can't see an established studio wanting to be involved - too much competition for access between online users tying up gear that's needed for real sessions - and people who book sessions at major studios probably wouldn't be exactly thrilled if the gear they expected to have access to at said major studio was getting tied up by online reservations. By the same token online customers probably wouldn't be happy if the gear they wanted to use was reserved for large blocks of time by real sessions, as people who book sessions at major studios are wont to do.
Good points. But if many of the large studios are closing or have closed why not experiment with it as at least a small part of the income stream? Set up a knowledgable but eager, young engineer to work 2pm to 8pm running tracks through gear. I don't own a large studio and there may be many reasons why it's not feasible. But if someone has figured out a way to make money doing this what's the harm in investigating it? As I understand it (I could be mistaken) this doesn't involve a younger engineer running tracks through gear at all - this is the customer running his own tracks through remote controlled gear under his own control. Which would require the gear to be more or less permantantly attached to a remote controlled servo rig to adjust the knobs. Very different thing, and one that would make it somewhat different to use the same pieces of gear for the two different applications. Didn't you see the pics? There are gears turning the knobs which are controlled by servo motors. To swap between uses you's need to mechanically connect the gear to the servo rig and then calibrate the servos to work properly with the software. Sounds to me like a huge PITA. |
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 24, 2019 18:42:56 GMT -6
If they do it with an BM7 I would be glad to pay for the roundtrip....
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Post by wiz on Sept 24, 2019 20:47:34 GMT -6
I just tried it for 30 mins....5.99 USD.
Great idea.
Need fast internet.
There is some lag when adjusting controls.
Make sure to add ALL the gear you want to use at the start of the session, I only added the SSL Fusion, so I realised when using the system, I couldnt add extra bits of gear I would have liked to try.
Overall, really impressive and easy to use.
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by wiz on Sept 24, 2019 22:46:24 GMT -6
I contacted them, and mentioned I couldnt add any more gear after starting session and they sent me a coupon so I could re do it.
Which was really cool of them.
So I tested out the SSL Fusion , and the Sliver Bullet.
I used them as a two buss type processor.
I set up the silver bullet to do the API and NEVE thing and ran off 4 mixes, ORIGINAL, Silver Bullet API, Silver Bullet Neve and SSL Fusion.
It was a really good thing, I had to move quickly in the 30 mins allowed, and just did a Verse and a Chorus.
Now that process would have cost about 20USD to do .
There is no way I can learn what I would need in 30 mins....BUT..... I can't demo this gear here in my studio in Australia anyways.
This was a great way to try them.
And if I was really keen, I could buy more time.
Or.......
I could just use this system when I have a say 5-6 songs ready , and run them off through it.
really cool and interesting development.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by accessanalog on Sept 27, 2019 22:33:33 GMT -6
Really interesting idea but I don't see it being commercially viable, for the simple reason that if it ever catches on it will probably choke - I don't see how the amount of gear available could keep up with the demand if any number of people wanted to use it for full sessions - there'd be a line around the virtual block and scheduling would become a nightmare. And you'd need to have a MOUNTAIN of gear to accommodate any number of people at the same time. Might be useful for demoing gear though.
The other, probably less important problem that I see is that it obviously removes the physical element from using the hardware. Still, it's a really interesting idea, especially if some of the more esoteric pieces of gear were available - Compex, Blackbird SR-7, BA6, etc.
What about dealers or manufacturers start using it somI can demo the gear? cheers Wiz Hello...Chris here from Access Analog. I'm late to the party, but it takes days to receive the manual approval for an account on this site. Good to read all of the comments. Our gear is indeed all robotically controlled...no interns necessary. The question of scaling still applies...how fast can we add a box, etc. I can only say I designed everything to optimize that task, knowing it would be critical. I can add another copy of a box we already own in ~2 days. I can add a new box somewhere between 3 and 10 days depending on complexity. You do have to stop and think about how much capacity a box has - 24/7 is a lot of time. We think our target audience is from the hobbyist to the semi-pro. Professional guys can use it for try-before-buy demoing, but they are unlikely to use it for actual work because they have most of the gear. (However, they would get recall, presets, automation, and mobility with our service at the cost of losing the physical touch). In the same vein, we are prepared to go into a professional studio and install the robotics on the studio gear, and use our same software with slight changes in configuration. The studio would continue to route the audio to the box as they already do. We would just add the control to get the benefits listed above using our plugin. Recall, in particular...since the plugin settings are stored with the DAW session, we have recall from client session to client session. Automatic session to session recall with analog gear seems to be a pretty big benefit, so we have been asked about this arrangement. Thanks for the discussion...let me know if I can help clear anything up now that I have an account. |
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Post by stormymondays on Sept 28, 2019 2:30:26 GMT -6
Hi Chris, thanks for joining! A slight side tangent, because it was mentioned in the thread. If you ever think of building robotic control for guitar amps (like Neil Young’s Whizzer that controls his Fender Deluxe), that could be really something. I’d buy that for myself!
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 28, 2019 2:40:43 GMT -6
What about dealers or manufacturers start using it somI can demo the gear? cheers Wiz Hello...Chris here from Access Analog. I'm late to the party, but it takes days to receive the manual approval for an account on this site. Good to read all of the comments. Our gear is indeed all robotically controlled...no interns necessary. The question of scaling still applies...how fast can we add a box, etc. I can only say I designed everything to optimize that task, knowing it would be critical. I can add another copy of a box we already own in ~2 days. I can add a new box somewhere between 3 and 10 days depending on complexity. You do have to stop and think about how much capacity a box has - 24/7 is a lot of time. We think our target audience is from the hobbyist to the semi-pro. Professional guys can use it for try-before-buy demoing, but they are unlikely to use it for actual work because they have most of the gear. (However, they would get recall, presets, automation, and mobility with our service at the cost of losing the physical touch). In the same vein, we are prepared to go into a professional studio and install the robotics on the studio gear, and use our same software with slight changes in configuration. The studio would continue to route the audio to the box as they already do. We would just add the control to get the benefits listed above using our plugin. Recall, in particular...since the plugin settings are stored with the DAW session, we have recall from client session to client session. Automatic session to session recall with analog gear seems to be a pretty big benefit, so we have been asked about this arrangement. Thanks for the discussion...let me know if I can help clear anything up now that I have an account. Cool I can see this thing growing. In this idea is a lot potential. Even if I own some of your gear I can see me using it while I am traveling. If you would implement an M7 I think I would use this one very often......... |
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