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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 11:07:05 GMT -6
Try moving them vertically by +/- 12" there might be a sweet spot and a dead spot on a certain plane. That was a big one for me. You can stack them on phone books or whatever to test. Or get them lower somehow. That's gonna be my last move. I'd literally have to chop a piece off the top of my stands to lower them. Big 'ol bulky wooden guys I built years ago. If I boost them up, they're going to be above my head.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 14:20:15 GMT -6
I've tried a few things now. Placement, distance, different listening levels.... I think they're just not for me. Pretty bummed, since they were so damn expensive. I wish I had a place to test monitors out around here, but I live in a pro audio void (literally my only option is GC).
Anyways, going to go back to my Dynaudio BM5A's and see if I'm really missing out by not having speakers 3x the cost.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 10, 2019 15:02:53 GMT -6
That’s a drag.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 15:38:45 GMT -6
Want to buy some speakers?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 10, 2019 15:41:34 GMT -6
Want to buy some speakers? Fuck speakers. Just use some headphones. 😁
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Post by svart on Dec 10, 2019 15:52:51 GMT -6
I think if you sell them, try the Neumann KH120 series. I really find my KH310's to be non-fatiguing and translate really well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 16:11:51 GMT -6
I think if you sell them, try the Neumann KH120 series. I really find my KH310's to be non-fatiguing and translate really well. Thanks, yea... I actually have a buddy who owns those and just got himself a pair of Barefoots, so I'm going to borrow them & compare to my Dyns and see what's what. I know he'd sell em to me for a bargain if I bug him enough.
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Post by mcirish on Dec 10, 2019 16:22:27 GMT -6
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but what about Sonarworks? If you have some nasty peak, it can be tamed. Sonarworks made a world of difference for me and I have Dynaudio LYD48 monitors. It was completely life changing for me. I no longer have to test mixes everywhere to make sure they are right. The combo of LYD48 and Sonarworks fixed all the anomalies in my room and I can hear what is really there. Worth a shot?
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 10, 2019 16:51:37 GMT -6
Want to buy some speakers? Sorry, I know you are joking but I have had expensive monitors and my conclusion was my room can't support good monitors so I am mostly using cans.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 10, 2019 17:38:25 GMT -6
I've got nice monitors (2 pairs of Amphion, PMC, Adam S1A, event 3 ways, and some big JBLS's) and mix on headphones the majority of the time. The big are NECESSARY for me while tracking though.
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Post by ragan on Dec 10, 2019 17:52:57 GMT -6
@sloweye Did you like your BM5a's? I find Dynaudio to generally make non-fatiguing speakers and really like the BM5a MKII's I used for years (still have them). But I wanted more detail/information and I moved up to the LYD48 3-ways. I love them. And I have extremely sensitive ears (years of bands and clanging ladders/power tools). The LYD48's midrange is a thing of beauty to me. Hyper revealing but not biting.
Lots of good options out there but I'd throw the LYD48 on your list if/when you shop.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 10, 2019 18:13:04 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 18:19:54 GMT -6
@sloweye Did you like your BM5a's? I find Dynaudio to generally make non-fatiguing speakers and really like the BM5a MKII's I used for years (still have them). But I wanted more detail/information and I moved up to the LYD48 3-ways. I love them. And I have extremely sensitive ears (years of bands and clanging ladders/power tools). The LYD48's midrange is a thing of beauty to me. Hyper revealing but not biting. Lots of good options out there but I'd throw the LYD48 on your list if/when you shop. I did like them. I never thought they were harsh or fatiguing beyond the times I was just being dumb and listening too loud or too long without taking breaks. I just thought that since I am becoming much better at mixing, it was time to go a bit more big league with the speakers and now I feel like a dumbass because I'm $2500 in the hole with speakers I don't like. Initially, listening through them to reference material was like "HOLY SHIT THIS IS AMAZING!", but over time... not so much. They are obviously great speakers. Just don't agree with me. I was reading another thread where you talked about the 48s. They are most definitely on my list now.
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Post by christopher on Dec 10, 2019 18:22:21 GMT -6
something that occurred to me last week: when manufacturers design for flat sound, are they designing for peak or RMS? Or is it both? And what volume? If we do an impulse response, isn’t that peak response? in the old days.. like 50s-90s they used to use VU and a sine wave to calibrate stuff, or pink noise..so more like RMS right? Makes me think they have been designing for peak response for a while so maybe flat isn’t the flat they think it is? Or am I totally off here?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 10, 2019 18:30:43 GMT -6
Seriously, you can afford the ATC's, and they're major league in sound quality.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 18:31:49 GMT -6
I was looking at those actually. I know nothing about power amps. What would you recommend? Edit: Ive found conflicting opinions on the Focals. Pretty decent number of accounts that reflect my findings.
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Post by RealNoob on Dec 10, 2019 19:03:39 GMT -6
I have the same issue with ear fatigue and went through half a dozen pairs of monitors before getting PSI’s from zen pro. They completely solved the problem for me. You might be able to find a used pair of a17’s in your price range. Completely agree with a PSI recommendation. I bought the A21s and just sat for a couple of months just listening to all kinds of music. It was a blast as I heard SO much I hadn't heard before. The detail is truly amazing and the cool thing to me is how easy it is to hear any kind of buildup whether a muddy build up or a buildup in harshness. if something is wrong, it just sticks out really well. Not harsh at all, very easy to listen to with lots of detail.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 10, 2019 23:25:51 GMT -6
I wouldn't worry too much about the amp. Use the remainder of your speaker sale budget for an amp. I like the old Adcom amps, they just sound right. I'm sure there are some great new amps and I believe ATC has one to match the speakers, but it's way too expensive.
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Post by gwlee7 on Dec 11, 2019 6:12:35 GMT -6
If buying passive monitors such as the ATCs being talked about, are they better sounding when biamped or is the passive crossover okay? You would need two stereo amps to biamp them wouldn’t you?
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Post by svart on Dec 11, 2019 7:30:17 GMT -6
Personally I'd go with something with a digital input and use a digital connection directly to the monitor. It'll save you a conversion step.
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Post by swurveman on Dec 11, 2019 8:05:14 GMT -6
I've had many brands of popular monitors. Many were just not that great. This ribbon tweeters hyped by some companies like Adam Audio seem like a marketing scam to me sometimes, they're so damn harsh. I have a pair of ADAM a7x's and agree that the tweeters are too hyped. Fortunately, you can use the high shelf on the back. I set the HIGH SHELF on the back at -2.4 dB (4 clicks) and they sound much better. My personal opinion is you have to move your speakers around till you find the spot that gives you the most detail and sit inside the triangle.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 11, 2019 11:09:29 GMT -6
At AES in NY this year, the head guy at ATC never mentioned bi-amping. I would say leave that for the audiophile folks and just get a good amp and be happy. Those speakers are extraordinary.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 12:10:00 GMT -6
I wouldn't worry too much about the amp. Use the remainder of your speaker sale budget for an amp. I like the old Adcom amps, they just sound right. I'm sure there are some great new amps and I believe ATC has one to match the speakers, but it's way too expensive. Yea, the ATC amp is lololol expensive. Can't wrap my head around that model.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 12:12:48 GMT -6
I've got nice monitors (2 pairs of Amphion, PMC, Adam S1A, event 3 ways, and some big JBLS's) and mix on headphones the majority of the time. The big are NECESSARY for me while tracking though. kcatthedog said: Sorry, I know you are joking but I have had expensive monitors and my conclusion was my room can't support good monitors so I am mostly using cans. I mix on headphones sometimes now, because they are somehow more easy on my ears than the Focals, but translation isn't great. I did just get a pair of fancy open back ones though, so that may change things. They seem ruler flat.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 8, 2020 7:38:04 GMT -6
I'm going to come out and say it, sometimes people just don't get along with certain monitors. There's no amount of work that can be done to fix it, you just gotta find something else that works for you. I always found my old JBL LSR monitors to be very relaxed and non-fatiguing. I don't know how the newer ones stack up though. I'm also loving my Neumann KH310 monitors, but they need to be further away from my ears to work best, but maybe Neumann's smaller 2ways might be a better choice for you. One related thing, sometimes monitors don't sound good outside of their sweetspots. Try sitting much further back from your monitors and seeing if you're hearing the same issues. If not, it might simply be a diffraction issue or related to being too close to your ears. Also, you mentioned replacing the tweeter.. Is it possible that when it got swapped, the leads were installed backwards? I would think it would give an obviously wrong-sounding output, but you never know. Also also, could it simply be that you're hearing real problems with the mix? I ask because I swear I can listen to NS10's all day long with pro mixes, but sometimes I put my mixes up and it's fatiguing as hell even though I can't really hear the differences on other speakers.. I also say this because I've been through a lot of monitors and sometimes it does take forever to kinda "hear" them for what they are. I took a few weeks off of the studio recently and when I came back I heard all kinds of things I never heard before in a mix I had been working on. I agree. I hear nothing but raves over Amphions. They are good speakers and I've tried and tried to love them but I just can't. They simply don't work for my ears. Like you, I'm a fan of the old JBL LSR's. Monitors is such a mixed bag that it's hard to predict what will work for some and not others. I think we must all hear just a little bit differently. Like eyesight is different between people.
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