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Post by indiehouse on Sept 18, 2019 13:23:45 GMT -6
Hey, I'm comparing my ProReplicas 1176 revA against my Stam ADG. I'm noticing some pretty drastic setting differences to achieve the same reduction. I want to make a short comparison video to get your reaction. What would be the best source material? Something with heavy transients like drums or something more nuanced to get a feel for tone, like a vocal track?
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Post by ragan on Sept 18, 2019 15:15:41 GMT -6
Hey, I'm comparing my ProReplicas 1176 revA against my Stam ADG. I'm noticing some pretty drastic setting differences to achieve the same reduction. I want to make a short comparison video to get your reaction. What would be the best source material? Something with heavy transients like drums or something more nuanced to get a feel for tone, like a vocal track? I’d say both. Anything with transients will bring out the ADG’s kind of funky attack behavior though. Be interesting to hear the Pro Replicas along with it. |
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Post by askomiko on Sept 19, 2019 6:51:09 GMT -6
Test signals a la plugindoctor. A loud sine at 800hz for example, immediately followed by a quiet signal. That way you can easily see what's happening in both the attack and release phases.
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Post by svart on Sept 19, 2019 7:54:49 GMT -6
Definitely drums.
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Post by soundintheround on Sept 19, 2019 9:01:14 GMT -6
Drums mandatory.
Vocals nice too.
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Post by Chad on Sept 19, 2019 9:03:38 GMT -6
Kazoo. Definitely Kazoo. Staccato and Legato notes. Mandatory.
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Post by soundintheround on Sept 19, 2019 9:11:43 GMT -6
Kazoo. Definitely Kazoo. Staccato and Legato notes. Mandatory. Forgot to mention kazoo! Can’t have a shootout without one of those. |
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Post by MorEQsThanAnswers on Sept 19, 2019 11:44:06 GMT -6
Kazoo. Definitely Kazoo. Staccato and Legato notes. Mandatory. Legato must be held until your face turns pink... offers the widest array of tones! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 12:05:17 GMT -6
farts.
No, but drums, bass, stuff with lots of low end. Vocals too. Those are the ones I usually care the most about.
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 19, 2019 13:14:52 GMT -6
Well, this thread really went down the toilet. |
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Post by phantom on Sept 19, 2019 13:31:06 GMT -6
Hey, I'm comparing my ProReplicas 1176 revA against my Stam ADG. I'm noticing some pretty drastic setting differences to achieve the same reduction. I want to make a short comparison video to get your reaction. What would be the best source material? Something with heavy transients like drums or something more nuanced to get a feel for tone, like a vocal track? I’d say both. Anything with transients will bring out the ADG’s kind of funky attack behavior though. Be interesting to hear the Pro Replicas along with it. ADG funky behavior? Having a ADF on preorder, I would love to know more about this. |
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Post by ragan on Sept 19, 2019 13:41:19 GMT -6
I’d say both. Anything with transients will bring out the ADG’s kind of funky attack behavior though. Be interesting to hear the Pro Replicas along with it. ADG funky behavior? Having a ADF on preorder, I would love to know more about this. Joshua says they perfectly match the spec of the Ureis he compared to (and maybe that’s the case) but I and another user or two have found the ADG not to grab transients the way we expect. There’s a lot of discussion of it (including Joshua’s perspective) in the ADG thread. I posted some screenshots and peak vs RMS figures there. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 14:03:33 GMT -6
Well, this thread really went down the toilet. "this compressor sounds shitty!", etc.... |
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Post by EmRR on Sept 19, 2019 14:14:30 GMT -6
I'm noticing some pretty drastic setting differences to achieve the same reduction. Many times that's down to the taper of the pots, and is nothing more than a visual effect/impression on the front panel. |
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Post by soundintheround on Sept 20, 2019 8:14:36 GMT -6
ADG funky behavior? Having a ADF on preorder, I would love to know more about this. Joshua says they perfectly match the spec of the Ureis he compared to (and maybe that’s the case) but I and another user or two have found the ADG not to grab transients the way we expect. There’s a lot of discussion of it (including Joshua’s perspective) in the ADG thread. I posted some screenshots and peak vs RMS figures there. I had the same feeling about the warm audio 1176 clone I tried. Didn't seem to grab like I expected, sounded like a drunk 1176 or something..... But they certainly seem popular so some people like them. I ended up with the ultimate 'clones'.... the Universal Audio re-issues. Had to go through a couple of them until I found 2 that sounded good and the same. Even the revision info up on UA's website isn't fully accurate, (there is more details that were missed), and had to get a pair with the older revision transformers in there until I was happy and sounded right to me. |
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Post by soundintheround on Sept 20, 2019 8:26:15 GMT -6
Getting back on topic however, I feel a big factor in shootouts is the quality of the source material and how well it was recorded. I've heard many shootouts where the source material is poor, lifeless and without dimension. In some cases coming from a sample pack or library which has been processed already. Very hard to tell what is going on when the material is already flat. The best shootouts I see always have source material which is very dynamic and full of transient information and recorded very well. This seems kinda obvious, duh just wanted to mention it. ...And of course gotta love the occasional youtube video of a shootout/demo for a piece of gear and its a guy recording a video of it using his cellphone mic. That isn't ideal either  |
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Post by ragan on Sept 20, 2019 11:08:41 GMT -6
Joshua says they perfectly match the spec of the Ureis he compared to (and maybe that’s the case) but I and another user or two have found the ADG not to grab transients the way we expect. There’s a lot of discussion of it (including Joshua’s perspective) in the ADG thread. I posted some screenshots and peak vs RMS figures there. I had the same feeling about the warm audio 1176 clone I tried. Didn't seem to grab like I expected, sounded like a drunk 1176 or something..... But they certainly seem popular so some people like them. I ended up with the ultimate 'clones'.... the Universal Audio re-issues. Had to go through a couple of them until I found 2 that sounded good and the same. Even the revision info up on UA's website isn't fully accurate, (there is more details that were missed), and had to get a pair with the older revision transformers in there until I was happy and sounded right to me. Interesting. My WA76s absolutely level the sound if you ask them to. I posted waveforms and RMS vs peak values in the ADG thread when I was trying to get to the bottom of why the ADG doesn’t grab like I think it should. The ADG wins on general tone sweetness but it doesn’t come close to being able to lock dynamics in place like the WA76. I end up doing quite a bit of editing to accommodate the ADG’s attack spikes. |
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Post by soundintheround on Sept 20, 2019 11:16:02 GMT -6
I'll check out that thread....
It wasn't so much the leveling I didn't like about the WA76, it was more so the release. Didn't seen to have the snap and almost slight distortion characteristic in the release that the 1176 has. In general the tone I also found also to be 'softer' compared to the UA, something I dont want when reaching for an 1176. I think that is probably associated with the cinemag transformer they use.
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Post by soundintheround on Sept 20, 2019 11:48:24 GMT -6
I just listened to the Stam vs. UA vs. Warm video shootout.
Well done shootout, they have drums/guitar/bass....also cool that they push the gear. I hate when shootouts barely tap the gear for like half of db or something. That's fine and all to be able to hear the tone, but also would like to hear the compressor work.
Stam sounds better than the warm to my ears for sure, UA still has that undeniable 'sounds like a record' tone.
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Post by Guitar on Sept 24, 2019 12:25:05 GMT -6
Drums, bass, vocals, maybe acoustic guitar
hey you got yourself a little song going there
just adding to the choir
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Post by ragan on Sept 24, 2019 15:45:33 GMT -6
I just listened to the Stam vs. UA vs. Warm video shootout. Well done shootout, they have drums/guitar/bass....also cool that they push the gear. I hate when shootouts barely tap the gear for like half of db or something. That's fine and all to be able to hear the tone, but also would like to hear the compressor work. Stam sounds better than the warm to my ears for sure, UA still has that undeniable 'sounds like a record' tone. Which video is that? |
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Post by soundintheround on Sept 24, 2019 16:28:58 GMT -6
I just listened to the Stam vs. UA vs. Warm video shootout. Well done shootout, they have drums/guitar/bass....also cool that they push the gear. I hate when shootouts barely tap the gear for like half of db or something. That's fine and all to be able to hear the tone, but also would like to hear the compressor work. Stam sounds better than the warm to my ears for sure, UA still has that undeniable 'sounds like a record' tone. Which video is that? |
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Post by lmnproyect on Jul 18, 2020 14:42:19 GMT -6
Hey, I'm comparing my ProReplicas 1176 revA against my Stam ADG. I'm noticing some pretty drastic setting differences to achieve the same reduction. I want to make a short comparison video to get your reaction. What would be the best source material? Something with heavy transients like drums or something more nuanced to get a feel for tone, like a vocal track? Hi , indie Some news about your ProReplicas 1176 revA against Stam ADG ? |
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