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Post by drbill on Sept 9, 2019 10:00:46 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 11:54:12 GMT -6
Sick! I've been dreading having to buy a 2nd rack. Couple of these will give me more time.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 9, 2019 12:13:01 GMT -6
Cool! Those 1RUs are hard to find.
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Post by drbill on Sept 9, 2019 13:27:09 GMT -6
They make 1/3 rack spacers as well, but I'm not quite sure how they fit..... I think I'll be fine with the 1/2RU ones.
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Post by m03 on Sept 9, 2019 13:44:22 GMT -6
They make 1/3 rack spacers as well, but I'm not quite sure how they fit..... I think I'll be fine with the 1/2RU ones. Not sure about these, but the 1/3RU panels I've bought from AllMetalParts in the past have fit nicely. |
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Post by woofhead on Sept 9, 2019 14:15:46 GMT -6
Has anybody bought rack rails from this place ? Was thinking about getting some as well as some 1/2 spacers.Thanks for the tip drbill
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Post by drbill on Sept 9, 2019 14:35:46 GMT -6
Penn makes a big percentage of the rack stuff out there. I'd buy (and I did) from them with confidence.
PS - you're welcome!
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Post by stormymondays on Sept 9, 2019 16:14:13 GMT -6
I have a pair of those for my Bricasti. I’m pretty sure that’s where I ordered them too, or maybe they have a UK site too.
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Post by Blackdawg on Sept 10, 2019 11:35:26 GMT -6
They make 1/3 rack spacers as well, but I'm not quite sure how they fit..... I think I'll be fine with the 1/2RU ones. Well there are 3 screw points per U so I'd imagine they just take up the space of one screw point. Either way. Pretty cool and useful! |
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Post by Omicron9 on Sept 11, 2019 8:22:36 GMT -6
I have a couple of the 1/2 space versions in my main rack. Another cool use of them is this: I have an RME interface with 4 XLRs on the front. Instead of having cables trailing across and up to those, I route them in from behind. I leave 1 space open above the RME (also good for ventilation), and use a 1/2 space vented panel at the top of the open space. Then I route in the XLR cables in the 1/2 RU open space below the 1/2RU vent panel. Much cleaner/neater look and it keeps the XLR cables out of the way.
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Post by EmRR on Sept 11, 2019 11:30:08 GMT -6
but....the screws....aren't....spaced.....evenly......in racks......(?)
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Post by Blackdawg on Sept 11, 2019 13:14:17 GMT -6
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 11, 2019 13:19:21 GMT -6
Related but important question: what gear is ventilation vital? My racks are full, I have no room left and I have no ventilation built in except for the backs, which is open to the room (i.e., not backed up against a wall). Someone mentioned the Bricasti. I don’t have it ventilated. Stam SA2A? Highland Dynamics BG2? Chandler RS124? IGS Tubecore? Coil CA-70S? CAPI 500 rack? Motu interfaces? Michelangelo? Great River EQ-2NV?
That would be a lot of dedicated rack space needed for ventilation.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Sept 11, 2019 13:25:54 GMT -6
but....the screws....aren't....spaced.....evenly......in racks......(?) I was thinking the same thing... |
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Post by winetree on Sept 11, 2019 14:56:02 GMT -6
I just 1/3 spaced everything and removed a couple lids even though the manufacturers said they didn't need to be removed or spaced. Just keeping it Kool.  |
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Post by m03 on Sept 11, 2019 15:23:48 GMT -6
and removed a couple lids I really like the design of the lid of some of the higher-end Manley gear in that respect...no reason to remove it because it's basically a metal screen:  |
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Post by sirthought on Sept 19, 2019 10:47:32 GMT -6
Do you need the spacer? Can't you just leave it blank?
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Post by EmRR on Sept 19, 2019 11:12:33 GMT -6
Do you need the spacer? Can't you just leave it blank? The spacer may be useful as much being a ledge for mounting/demounting the item above. |
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Post by drbill on Sept 19, 2019 11:46:12 GMT -6
Latest thoughts.
re: the 1/2RU vented spacers.
In my Sterling Modular desk - which essentially has my gear facing up towards the ceiling like a console surface - the spacers worked fantastic - because gravity is working WITH me - not against me - and because with 3RU gear (500 racks), you can get all mounting holes in the 3RU pieces to line up with 1/2 space above and below and it keeps stuff stable, and fills the holes - allowing all 4 mounting screws to be screwed down. Perfect.
With my vertical PT rack which is 26+ RU - filled with HEAVY, deep 2RU interfaces that generate a FREAKING LOT of heat, you can only mount the gear in the two top holes, or the two bottom holes. For gear as heavy as the 16x16's, that is just unacceptable, and a fail for that application IMO. I'm unable to use the 1/2 RU spacers there. Bummer. That's really where I needed them.
The Penn 1/2 RU spacers are built and finished very nicely. Definitely above average.
Conclusions - you either need to be dealing with mostly 3RU gear, or have gear that is shallow and light or the mounting will not support the weight of the gear if you can only get top two or bottom two holes mounted in the gear.
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Post by drbill on Sept 19, 2019 11:54:15 GMT -6
PS - I could not find any vented 1/3RU spacers to try to see if the mounting holes lined up better with standard style mounting racks.
UPDATE - tried the 1/3 spacing with the 2RU gear. Doesn't work. ALMOST works, but not quite. Can's get all mounting screws in, BUT with a touch of tilted mount, you CAN get one upper screw in and one lower screw. Better than two uppers or two lowers, but still not up to what I want.
Just another good reason for rock maple wood rack rails. Space stuff the way you WANT them spaced. No preconceived spot for the holes.....
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Post by drbill on Sept 19, 2019 12:04:37 GMT -6
Do you need the spacer? Can't you just leave it blank? you can. doesn't look as nice from my perspective. |
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Post by EmRR on Sept 19, 2019 12:13:33 GMT -6
Conclusions - you either need to be dealing with mostly 3RU gear, or have gear that is shallow and light or the mounting will not support the weight of the gear if you can only get top two or bottom two holes mounted in the gear. Maybe all your 3RU gear has the same hole spacing? I must have a half dozen spacing configurations on 3RU gear. I do have two Telco racks that actually need a 1/2 rack spacer at the bottom, just the craziest thing to see a 44RU tower that doesn't start at the actual bottom. |
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 19, 2019 12:13:52 GMT -6
Latest thoughts. re: the 1/2RU vented spacers. In my Sterling Modular desk - which essentially has my gear facing up towards the ceiling like a console surface - the spacers worked fantastic - because gravity is working WITH me - not against me - and because with 3RU gear (500 racks), you can get all mounting holes in the 3RU pieces to line up with 1/2 space above and below and it keeps stuff stable, and fills the holes - allowing all 4 mounting screws to be screwed down. Perfect. With my vertical PT rack which is 26+ RU - filled with HEAVY, deep 2RU interfaces that generate a FREAKING LOT of heat, you can only mount the gear in the two top holes, or the two bottom holes. For gear as heavy as the 16x16's, that is just unacceptable, and a fail for that application IMO. I'm unable to use the 1/2 RU spacers there. Bummer. That's really where I needed them. The Penn 1/2 RU spacers are built and finished very nicely. Definitely above average. Conclusions - you either need to be dealing with mostly 3RU gear, or have gear that is shallow and light or the mounting will not support the weight of the gear if you can only get top two or bottom two holes mounted in the gear. If a rack isn't going to be roaded - if it just sits in the studio - you can generally get away wth only securing it with two screws in the bottom holes. The reason being that the weight of the unit will pull the top of the front plate back against the rack rails so the weight is, in fact, supported even if there are no top screws, even for relatively heavy gear. Gravity is working with you. NEVER use only top holes or only one bottom and one top because then gravity works against you.
This is not recommended if the rack is not to remain stationary. It's also not recommended if your rails have the clip-in nuts instead of proper tapped holes in the rail itself.
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Post by drbill on Sept 19, 2019 12:22:45 GMT -6
Yeah, that's not good enough IMO John. Plus, with the 1/2RU spacers, you're forced into whatever holes actually line up. With some of my gear it was the top two holes, and really unstable.
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Post by lpedrum on Sept 19, 2019 12:27:44 GMT -6
Just another good reason for rock maple wood rack rails. Space stuff the way you WANT them spaced. No preconceived spot for the holes..... Yeah, what's with the preconceived hole spacing? They almost always present a racking puzzle. Why not holes all the way up and down? I think we have the technology to do that. |
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But sometimes you need airspace. These are brilliant, and allow me to fit more gear. I just ordered 8 of em. I'll recover 3-4 RU spaces for more gear!! Woohoo!
But sometimes you need airspace. These are brilliant, and allow me to fit more gear. I just ordered 8 of em. I'll recover 3-4 RU spaces for more gear!! Woohoo!
