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Post by mrholmes on Sept 8, 2019 15:35:20 GMT -6
For 3 decades I was all into Amps since Slate came with his Overloud THU Rig Player.
Yesterday I bought the Vintage Pack Profiles and I was blown away how responsive they are. Dialed in some Brownface, gave it some compression some verb and the sound lead my to SRV licks. Big smile on my face.
Never had this with simulations, the same feel like with real fenders.
The Clean Dumble profiles are a God send. Overloud THU will find use in my next projects.
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Post by ragan on Sept 8, 2019 15:37:32 GMT -6
Pretty much same.
I have the DI if I want to re-amp but TH-U has already beaten some real amp tracks in blind ABs with some audio friends and I. That never happened once with the Kemper for us.
Kemper offers a whole ‘nother thing though for live/touring. TH-U requires a computer and the resultant audio buffer.
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Post by donr on Sept 8, 2019 22:14:23 GMT -6
Pretty much same. I have the DI if I want to re-amp but TH-U has already beaten some real amp tracks in blind ABs with some audio friends and I. That never happened once with the Kemper for us. Kemper offers a whole ‘nother thing though for live/touring. TH-U requires a computer and the resultant audio buffer. OK, I'll have to try the TH-U. I'm really interested in the Roland WAZA box also. Listen to the Billboard Hot 100 and figure out how much of it is real instruments performed in real time. Not much. Not like I'm gonna be competitive on teh (craptastic) Billboard Hot 100 anytime soon, but you'll take my point about totally organic sound, in the sense of the 1950's electric guitar tech. As much as it's still respected and revered by folks like us.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 8, 2019 23:04:58 GMT -6
What about trying the UAD Ox John?
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Post by ragan on Sept 8, 2019 23:34:03 GMT -6
Pretty much same. I have the DI if I want to re-amp but TH-U has already beaten some real amp tracks in blind ABs with some audio friends and I. That never happened once with the Kemper for us. Kemper offers a whole ‘nother thing though for live/touring. TH-U requires a computer and the resultant audio buffer. OK, I'll have to try the TH-U. I'm really interested in the Roland WAZA box also. Listen to the Billboard Hot 100 and figure out how much of it is real instruments performed in real time. Not much. Not like I'm gonna be competitive on teh (craptastic) Billboard Hot 100 anytime soon, but you'll take my point about totally organic sound, in the sense of the 1950's electric guitar tech. As much as it's still respected and revered by folks like us. I mean, yeah, point taken. But to that end, a well crafted arrangement produced by a big fish producer with a big budget behind it could easily be using something much crappier than Kemper or TH-U or anything like that and still be made to sound slick. And modern pop productions aren't trying to sound like "real instruments performed in real time" I don't think. That's not what those listeners' ears are tuned to at all. It's supposed to sound hyper rigid and quantized, by my estimation. It's what those customers want. I just don't measure much by that rod. Not because I have something against big, overblown, modern pop production but because it just doesn't do anything for me. Or nothing more than a Verizon commercial or NFL broadcast at least. I can respect the technical skill that many teams of people put into the product but it conveys as much feeling as an empty aluminum can. Less probably. I don't hate it, it's just irrelevant to me. I don't personally care about organic purity or traditionalism as far as methodology either. I like my tube amps, sure. But when I want to record a song, I just want something that puts a grin on my face and keeps me in the mood. Something that gets me in the ballpark of the sonic touchstones I'm hearing in my head and does it quickly without a lot of mucking around. It's that 'grin' piece of the puzzle that I personally wasn't able to get from the Kempers I've had. For whatever reasons, TH-U delivers that for me. I think most of this stuff is entirely subjective and I totally see the appeal of the Kemper (hell I've bought the damn thing three times). I think it's more than capable of great results and until TH-U I thought it was the king of sims. If you do try TH-U, I'd try the couple of 'rigs' that Overloud did for Slate (a Plexi, another Marshall and a Tweed Champ) cause you get those free and they let you hear what the whole 'rig' thing Overloud is doing can do. The other packs of rigs have some excellent stuff in it. The Vintage one and the American Classics one are staples for me. For the non "rig-player" stuff, I like the Vox and the Bassman. And I like the Ownhammer cab IRs (they're included with the TH-U Slate version, just use the generic Slate cab and double click it to change the IR) more than the stock TH-U cabs, though I still also like those. It goes without saying that you, um, know your way around guitar tones and equipment. I only offer my preferences because there are also (to my ear) some pretty bad tones in TH-U. But then maybe I just don't like those amps. Same kinda deal with Kemper. Anyway, I'm rambling. TH-U is worth a shot. But a Kemper in your hands is something I would wanna listen to even if I wasn't able to make it work for me.
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 9, 2019 0:50:58 GMT -6
Pretty much same. I have the DI if I want to re-amp but TH-U has already beaten some real amp tracks in blind ABs with some audio friends and I. That never happened once with the Kemper for us. Kemper offers a whole ‘nother thing though for live/touring. TH-U requires a computer and the resultant audio buffer. Using a fast laptop and a low buffer size I can see the THU technology in live settings. I can see using it having basic sounds ready to go in my template. And I ask myself if this technology can be used to sample the nonlinear behavior of studio gear. If this happens I see the end of the line for the sonics argument.
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Post by donr on Sept 9, 2019 6:24:56 GMT -6
Pretty much same. I have the DI if I want to re-amp but TH-U has already beaten some real amp tracks in blind ABs with some audio friends and I. That never happened once with the Kemper for us. Kemper offers a whole ‘nother thing though for live/touring. TH-U requires a computer and the resultant audio buffer. Using a fast laptop and a low buffer size I can see the THU technology in live settings. I can see using it having basic sounds ready to go in my template. And I ask myself if this technology can be used to sample the nonlinear behavior of studio gear. If this happens I see the end of the line for the sonics argument. I asked Christopher Kemper at NAMM this year if the Kemper could "profile" studio gear. He said no. But the concept of a device that could seems do-able at some point, doesn't it? Why not?
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 9, 2019 7:00:05 GMT -6
For 3 decades I was all into Amps since Slate came with his Overloud THU Rig Player. Yesterday I bought the Vintage Pack Profiles and I was blown away how responsive they are. Dialed in some Brownface, gave it some compression some verb and the sound lead my to SRV licks. Big smile on my face. Never had this with simulations, the same feel like with real fenders. The Clean Dumble profiles are a God send. Overloud THU will find use in my next projects. Gonna have to try that.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 9, 2019 7:14:28 GMT -6
Wow. The video is impressive.
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Post by 79sg on Sept 9, 2019 7:26:27 GMT -6
One of the things I like best about the Kemper besides the tones I get from it is it's self contained, doesn't tax the computer and has lots of routing options. Also, you never have to be concerned with whether your current operating system is being supported by the software developer or if one day you move on to another amp sim, etc. I haven't tried Overloud THU so I'm not sure what the latency might be. I've tried most of the amp sims and latency has been one of the bigger impediments (to me). I still record tube amps but the Kemper is so convenient and sounds great so the amps are seeing less action lately.
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 9, 2019 7:36:23 GMT -6
Using a fast laptop and a low buffer size I can see the THU technology in live settings. I can see using it having basic sounds ready to go in my template. And I ask myself if this technology can be used to sample the nonlinear behavior of studio gear. If this happens I see the end of the line for the sonics argument. I asked Christopher Kemper at NAMM this year if the Kemper could "profile" studio gear. He said no. But the concept of a device that could seems do-able at some point, doesn't it? Why not?
Its an interesting technology. The only thing I don't like about the THU profiles is they are all bone dry close-miced.
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 9, 2019 7:44:47 GMT -6
Wow. The video is impressive.
IMO's opinion they nailed the main flavor of each amp. I now have ch-strip presets like this.
I never took Jobs when they said if I can do something like 80s JCM and this or that setup. Now I would take the JOB without telling them that it was Overloud THU.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 9, 2019 8:51:03 GMT -6
Bought the Vintage Collection. OK...I now get the hype.
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Post by ragan on Sept 9, 2019 9:10:59 GMT -6
Bought the Vintage Collection. OK...I now get the hype. It’s good. Was it still on sale? It was like $19 a couple weeks ago. Got the American Classics for the same price awhile back too.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 9, 2019 9:18:04 GMT -6
$29
Can you buy more effects? Not that I really need any more...I was thinking about a clean boost, but I could just turn the input up I guess.
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Post by ragan on Sept 9, 2019 10:26:47 GMT -6
$29 Can you buy more effects? Not that I really need any more...I was thinking about a clean boost, but I could just turn the input up I guess. I don’t really know their a la carte setup. You’ve got the load of them that come with TH-U though right? Is there no boost in there?
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 9, 2019 10:59:10 GMT -6
Yeah no boost but no biggie...I'm shocked at how many instances I can get without adding any appreciable strain on the computer. Damn. It's still more trouble than the Kemper...but I could live with the Princeton and Super alone in the Vintage Collection.
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 9, 2019 11:03:31 GMT -6
Yeah no boost but no biggie...I'm shocked at how many instances I can get without adding any appreciable strain on the computer. Damn. It's still more trouble than the Kemper...but I could live with the Princeton and Super alone in the Vintage Collection. You still on a 2012 mini? How's the latency for you? Did you already own the main TH-U software and just had to buy the Vintage Collection add-on?
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Post by ragan on Sept 9, 2019 11:15:08 GMT -6
Yeah no boost but no biggie...I'm shocked at how many instances I can get without adding any appreciable strain on the computer. Damn. It's still more trouble than the Kemper...but I could live with the Princeton and Super alone in the Vintage Collection. Yeah it seems to be really light, CPU-wise. And it is more trouble than the Kemper in a way but you also have it sitting there live as you mix. So if you think you wanted the Twin but you decide it needs more hair and want a Deluxe, it’s right there.
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 9, 2019 11:19:34 GMT -6
$29 Can you buy more effects? Not that I really need any more...I was thinking about a clean boost, but I could just turn the input up I guess.
Reading the Manual is a must because this thing is a big playground to recreate classic studio guitar tones. It recreates the dynamic play feel but also gives you the possibility to decide how it would have been tracked - a 57or other mic, with room tone or extremely close.
The rig player alone is nothing but fascinating, you can decide how early or late distortion sets in.
If you start to combine this with all the other modeled cabs they deliver. Guitar players heaven...
I was always limited to a few sounds because I could not lift amps with my left leg thing.
And it was dream to save guitar tones in the session. Now I can.... WOW.
I still go crazy here with my template.
Want Tom Petty crunch Tele sound?
Just amazing..... in no time there it is extremely close to the one you know from the record.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 9, 2019 12:11:36 GMT -6
The collections are just in the rig player, right? I didn’t get any fancy looking apps. And I’m not sure I even tried the rig player in the past. indiehouse I have the 2012 MM with 16GB RAM. And I got three instances on a pretty heavy session without it even blinking an eye.
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Post by ragan on Sept 9, 2019 12:14:51 GMT -6
The collections are just in the rig player, right? I didn’t get any fancy looking apps. And I’m not sure I even tried the rig player in the past. indiehouse I have the 2012 MM with 16GB RAM. And I got three instances on a pretty heavy session without it even blinking an eye. Yeah the collections are for the rig player. And then there’s the sort of TH-U ‘regular’ with all the amps, cabs and effects. If you open the settings for a given head you can even change tubes and transistors and stuff. It’s really fun. But try the Ownhammer IRs for cab. Really nice.
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Post by drbill on Sept 9, 2019 13:31:16 GMT -6
Is THU Full the way to go here. Their site is kind of confusing with a bunch of different "styles" 9rock, metal, etc.) of TH-U. I'm presuming "full" has all of them?
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Post by ragan on Sept 9, 2019 13:49:10 GMT -6
Is THU Full the way to go here. Their site is kind of confusing with a bunch of different "styles" 9rock, metal, etc.) of TH-U. I'm presuming "full" has all of them? I'm not sure how the full version goes as far as the rig player rigs. It is kinda confusing cause they had TH-U already and then introduced this rig capture tech which sits in a little player inside the TH-U window. It basically looks like you load up a Kemper instead of an image of a specific amp. Then from within that player deal you pick rigs. When I demo'd TH-U full, I hadn't really delved into the rig player much yet so I'm not sure if it comes with extra rigs for the rig player. It definitely comes with a boatload of amps in the standard, non rig-player form but most of them were esoteric high gain stuff that I didn't care about. The Slate version (that everyone with the bundle has) already has a lot of amp/cab/effect models so I had no attraction to the full version. But once I started using the rig player stuff, it sort of took something I already liked up a notch. I've been using that (rig player) with the American Classics and the Vintage Collection stuff almost exclusively. It's so damn fun to play and it just straight up sounds like mic'd amps to me.
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Post by drbill on Sept 9, 2019 14:38:07 GMT -6
Is THU Full the way to go here. Their site is kind of confusing with a bunch of different "styles" 9rock, metal, etc.) of TH-U. I'm presuming "full" has all of them? I'm not sure how the full version goes as far as the rig player rigs. It is kinda confusing cause they had TH-U already and then introduced this rig capture tech which sits in a little player inside the TH-U window. It basically looks like you load up a Kemper instead of an image of a specific amp. Then from within that player deal you pick rigs. When I demo'd TH-U full, I hadn't really delved into the rig player much yet so I'm not sure if it comes with extra rigs for the rig player. It definitely comes with a boatload of amps in the standard, non rig-player form but most of them were esoteric high gain stuff that I didn't care about. The Slate version (that everyone with the bundle has) already has a lot of amp/cab/effect models so I had no attraction to the full version. But once I started using the rig player stuff, it sort of took something I already liked up a notch. I've been using that (rig player) with the American Classics and the Vintage Collection stuff almost exclusively. It's so damn fun to play and it just straight up sounds like mic'd amps to me. I guess I'll have to figure out if "full" has the rig player.
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