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Post by johneppstein on Aug 8, 2019 21:58:03 GMT -6
I'll have to dig out my 201 again. I tried it on snare for a while but it just seemed dull and boxy to me at the time. I switched to a 57 with a Yellow Crimson Mod and that's been my go to on snare for a while--more open sounding and picks up more of the snare wire sound. As for the ATM25, it was the go to floor tom mic in a couple of big time NYC studios for a while. It does a thing, but it's a very modern, scooped thing, and that's not MY thing. I have one but it rarely gets used. I just looked up the Crimson Yellow mod. Judging from the description it sounds like everything I hate in "modern voiced" mics.
When are people going to get hip to the fact that boosted, hyped treble does not equal increased detail, "openness" and definition? That reminds me of the common fallacy that you can EQ a dynamic to sound like a condenser.
That being said, the stock Shure trannies pretty much suck.
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Post by geoff738 on Aug 8, 2019 22:21:16 GMT -6
Well the other thing to getting more of the snares is to move the mic off the top and off the shell instead. By the time I got the 201 I’d moved to that. I never had enough mics or time/experience to mic the top and bottom of the snare. I think aI missed out there. Might not have worked for me, but I’ll never know now. I never loved the snare sounds I got. A lot of things. Crap drums, crap rooms, crap ears-mine. I had the mics.
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 18:31:01 GMT -6
I had a few 201's bought used. One out of 5 was kind of bad and had lower output, strange sound, and was obviously defective. Most probably damaged by stage abuse. The others were all right. So it is always a good idea to compare to a known working one, if you bought one and are underwhelmed by it's sound. I used them pretty much on nearly everything, guitar cab, acoustic guitar, toms, snare, all kind of acoustical instruments. For me a really great allrounder. And don't forget vocals. In german television of my youth, it was quite often seen in music shows, characteristical small stick in the hand of singers, looked kind of funny, but obviously did a great job. I tested it out myself, and although I have a typical "SM 58 voice", I liked it very much. And for my ears it is much better on most female vocals than SM58 and SM57. Our (female) singer asked me a while ago, if there are typical "male voice" mics dominating the market, as she got the impression, that she does not like many highly praised vocal mics that sound quite good with male voices otherwise, when she did studio work. And IMO this was an excellent observation. We will try out how she likes the 441 soon. Which I consider very nice sounding on female voices. Same for 201. Kind of "gender-neutral"? C12-style mics IMO are also nice for female voices, but most Neumanns I don't really find optimal for female vocals.
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Post by EmRR on Aug 9, 2019 19:45:43 GMT -6
I liked the 201 I had available at another place for snare, which is were it lived usually. Haven't used one in years.
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Post by Ward on Aug 10, 2019 8:48:11 GMT -6
I had a few 201's bought used. One out of 5 was kind of bad and had lower output, strange sound, and was obviously defective. Most probably damaged by stage abuse. The others were all right. So it is always a good idea to compare to a known working one, if you bought one and are underwhelmed by it's sound. I used them pretty much on nearly everything, guitar cab, acoustic guitar, toms, snare, all kind of acoustical instruments. For me a really great allrounder. And don't forget vocals. In german television of my youth, it was quite often seen in music shows, characteristical small stick in the hand of singers, looked kind of funny, but obviously did a great job. I tested it out myself, and although I have a typical "SM 58 voice", I liked it very much. And for my ears it is much better on most female vocals than SM58 and SM57. Our (female) singer asked me a while ago, if there are typical "male voice" mics dominating the market, as she got the impression, that she does not like many highly praised vocal mics that sound quite good with male voices otherwise, when she did studio work. And IMO this was an excellent observation. We will try out how she likes the 441 soon. Which I consider very nice sounding on female voices. Same for 201. Kind of "gender-neutral"? C12-style mics IMO are also nice for female voices, but most Neumanns I don't really find optimal for female vocals. Have you tried a U89 on femvox? I do prefer a C12a or C414eb but the U89 is lovely on sopranos
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 11:33:35 GMT -6
I've not heard this mic on female vox yet, thanks for the tipp!
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 10, 2019 15:13:43 GMT -6
I had a few 201's bought used. One out of 5 was kind of bad and had lower output, strange sound, and was obviously defective. Most probably damaged by stage abuse. The others were all right. So it is always a good idea to compare to a known working one, if you bought one and are underwhelmed by it's sound. I used them pretty much on nearly everything, guitar cab, acoustic guitar, toms, snare, all kind of acoustical instruments. For me a really great allrounder. And don't forget vocals. In german television of my youth, it was quite often seen in music shows, characteristical small stick in the hand of singers, looked kind of funny, but obviously did a great job. I tested it out myself, and although I have a typical "SM 58 voice", I liked it very much. And for my ears it is much better on most female vocals than SM58 and SM57. Our (female) singer asked me a while ago, if there are typical "male voice" mics dominating the market, as she got the impression, that she does not like many highly praised vocal mics that sound quite good with male voices otherwise, when she did studio work. And IMO this was an excellent observation. We will try out how she likes the 441 soon. Which I consider very nice sounding on female voices. Same for 201. Kind of "gender-neutral"? C12-style mics IMO are also nice for female voices, but most Neumanns I don't really find optimal for female vocals. The 441 is known as "The Stevie Nicks Mic" in some circles.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 16:47:10 GMT -6
Yepp, heard this. There is the story going around that she had one in her handbag all the time with her ... don't know, if it's true. But her voice sounds adorable always.
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Post by Guitar on Aug 10, 2019 18:52:38 GMT -6
I bought an M201 about 10 years ago. It was clearly defective, so sadly, I have never really heard one. I love my M88TG though.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 10, 2019 19:34:00 GMT -6
Yepp, heard this. There is the story going around that she had one in her handbag all the time with her ... don't know, if it's true. But her voice sounds adorable always. Just a Rumor. Chris
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Post by ragan on Aug 10, 2019 20:53:55 GMT -6
Yepp, heard this. There is the story going around that she had one in her handbag all the time with her ... don't know, if it's true. But her voice sounds adorable always. Just a Rumor. Chris *Rumour
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Post by jampa on Aug 11, 2019 1:53:12 GMT -6
Go Yor Own Way
Here's Mike Avenaim demoing the m201
(Demos of M88 after it)
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Post by chessparov on Aug 11, 2019 1:56:47 GMT -6
Those Brits, always changing a proper American spelling! Chris
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Post by hio on Aug 11, 2019 3:57:39 GMT -6
Yepp, heard this. There is the story going around that she had one in her handbag all the time with her ... don't know, if it's true. But her voice sounds adorable always. I believe it because my 441 was extricated from my studio and I used it for live shows always and forever it seems. That thing had more abuse thrown on it and was amazingly rugged for having such a delicate and detailed sound. I now use an e945 because I am cheap and the 441 has almost doubled in price and I finally lost something in the 441s sound appeal. Too much beer juice, spit, slobber and hard drops with the microphone stand attached to it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 4:11:07 GMT -6
Yepp, heard this. There is the story going around that she had one in her handbag all the time with her ... don't know, if it's true. But her voice sounds adorable always. I believe it because my 441 was extricated from my studio and I used it for live shows always and forever it seems. That thing had more abuse thrown on it and was amazingly rugged for having such a delicate and detailed sound. I now use an e945 because I am cheap and the 441 has almost doubled in price and I finally lost something in the 441s sound appeal. Too much beer juice, spit, slobber and hard drops with the microphone stand attached to it. Guess, which mic I am carrying around with my drinks and a cable in a bag when I am out to make some music on a regular basis, LOL. Worst case if it would be lost some day due to this ...
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Post by hio on Aug 11, 2019 4:53:46 GMT -6
I believe it because my 441 was extricated from my studio and I used it for live shows always and forever it seems. That thing had more abuse thrown on it and was amazingly rugged for having such a delicate and detailed sound. I now use an e945 because I am cheap and the 441 has almost doubled in price and I finally lost something in the 441s sound appeal. Too much beer juice, spit, slobber and hard drops with the microphone stand attached to it. Guess, which mic I am carrying around with my drinks and a cable in a bag when I am out to make some music on a regular basis, LOL. Worst case if it would be lost some day due to this ...
The Beyer 201
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 5:05:00 GMT -6
Uhm, nope, the Blackfire MD541 (441 sans hipass switch). :-D
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Post by hio on Aug 11, 2019 6:08:39 GMT -6
Uhm, nope, the Blackfire MD541 (441 sans hipass switch). :-D That is the one I was alluding to but they use to call it the MD441 and all black. Best sounding dynamic ever and my first professional studio mic which I couldn't help but use live as well.
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Post by Ward on Aug 11, 2019 6:09:06 GMT -6
Uhm, nope, the Blackfire MD541 (441 sans hipass switch). :-D Ha! I have one of those also, it throws off some guys who haven't seen a 'black 441' before! It has the bright switch though, just not the 5 position bass roll-off. I have to say, this thread has put me on the hunt for some 201s now. 91 mics is not enough.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 11, 2019 11:43:39 GMT -6
We really ought to have a Phil Collins M88 vs. Stevie Nicks 441 smackdown. Against all odds, nobody gets hurt, otherwise it's "Sue Sue Studio"! Chris
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 11, 2019 14:19:36 GMT -6
Uhm, nope, the Blackfire MD541 (441 sans hipass switch). :-D Ha! I have one of those also, it throws off some guys who haven't seen a 'black 441' before! It has the bright switch though, just not the 5 position bass roll-off. I have to say, this thread has put me on the hunt for some 201s now. 91 mics is not enough. 91, eh?
Looks like I've got some catching up to do.....
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Post by jamiesego on Aug 11, 2019 23:54:23 GMT -6
Go Yor Own Way Here's Mike Avenaim demoing the m201 (Demos of M88 after it) This sounds really good. Was the M88 really used at Motown?
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Post by ragan on Aug 12, 2019 0:36:44 GMT -6
Those do sound really nice. Perhaps Bob Olhsson can give some insight as to whether the M88 really was used much at Motown.
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Post by svart on Aug 12, 2019 6:56:54 GMT -6
Go Yor Own Way Here's Mike Avenaim demoing the m201 (Demos of M88 after it) I will never understand why folks audition mics with the worst sounding drums. uggh.
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Post by Ward on Aug 12, 2019 9:04:33 GMT -6
I will never understand why folks audition mics with the worst sounding drums. uggh.[/quote] One man's 'dull thud' is another man's "sounds ok to me, sure, nobody will be able to tell'. Right?
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