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Post by sirthought on Aug 5, 2019 1:53:32 GMT -6
I found this video to be pretty interesting and thought maybe someone here might have an old Mac they'd like to upgrade the OS. This guy who calls himself Dosdude has an application that allows older Macs that normally are walled out from upgrading their OS to get around that and patch any necessary things with regards to video drivers, etc. The video shows someone with an old 8 core 2008 Mac Pro upgrading to OSX Mojave and the latest version of Logic Pro X. Due to the age of the computer that shouldn't be possible, but it's running fine. Dosdude1's website: dosdude1.com/software.html |
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Post by sirthought on Aug 5, 2019 2:13:26 GMT -6
And here's someone upgrading to the beta version of Catalina.
I guess when Apple converts their CPUs to their own version of ARM chips, this might all change. We're all going to have Macs that might be impossible to upgrade in a couple years. Boooooo!
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Post by mcirish on Aug 5, 2019 9:57:19 GMT -6
I have a few Mac users at my work that really need a newer OS, since Apple won't allow the newer versions of Filemaker (16+) to be installed on Yosemite. I hope one of these ideas works. That would help me out in my day job.
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Post by Blackdawg on Aug 5, 2019 11:01:13 GMT -6
Hmm I have a 2007 Mac pro. I'll have to try this
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Post by Ward on Aug 5, 2019 11:29:51 GMT -6
well this is all very interesting! One of the biggest hold-ups for me with upgrading beyond Mountain Lion 10-7.6 is that everything works now, so why change it?
But I'm considering a major upgrade, so we'll see! Thank you for sharing.
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Post by aremos on Aug 5, 2019 11:47:20 GMT -6
Ward, if you're still on PT 10 HD (10.3.10), Mavericks (10.9.5) works flawlessly! I'm partitioning a (or on another) drive Sierra (or High Sierra) for PT 2019.6.
I believe you also have a 5,1 cheese grater also?
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 5, 2019 11:57:38 GMT -6
It works I run two old upgraded mac pros 1.1 with 10.11.6 and it runs flawless.
With the 1.1 end of the line is 10.11.
The 2009 4.1 flashed to 5.1 with an CPU upgrade to a 12 Core is not expensive.
CPU upgrading is easy, I did with two macs, and I am not a specialist.
In the end I had to upgrade the firmware.
Done.
The old macs are still very powerful and I yet see no reason to buy something new.
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Post by Ward on Aug 5, 2019 12:15:55 GMT -6
Ward, if you're still on PT 10 HD (10.3.10), Mavericks (10.9.5) works flawlessly! I'm partitioning a (or on another) drive Sierra (or High Sierra) for PT 2019.6. I believe you also have a 5,1 cheese grater also? Thanks for this info, Areil! I have the very last generation of the cheese grater, The westmere with 12 (or is it 24?) corees. Is that a 5.1? |
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Post by aremos on Aug 5, 2019 12:33:33 GMT -6
Ward, if you're still on PT 10 HD (10.3.10), Mavericks (10.9.5) works flawlessly! I'm partitioning a (or on another) drive Sierra (or High Sierra) for PT 2019.6. I believe you also have a 5,1 cheese grater also? Thanks for this info, Areil! I have the very last generation of the cheese grater, The westmere with 12 (or is it 24?) corees. Is that a 5.1? Yes. It's the same machine (12 core). I have it with 3.46 Ghz/64GB. I'm using the Mavericks (10.9.5) with PT 10 HD Accel & will stay tracking there & everything works perfectly. Love the low latency & sound from the converters - we can still use all the latest interfaces. Have partitioned, or you can use another drive, with Sierra. Will be using PT 2019.6 Native for mixing - real soon.
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Post by Blackdawg on Aug 5, 2019 13:54:38 GMT -6
This makes buying a "new" mac pro 5,1 or 4,1 and slapping in the top Xeon processors in it and 32-64Gb or RAM and a new GPU VERY appealing cost wise.
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Post by Ward on Aug 5, 2019 14:38:07 GMT -6
This makes buying a "new" mac pro 5,1 or 4,1 and slapping in the top Xeon processors in it and 32-64Gb or RAM and a new GPU VERY appealing cost wise. Is there anyone or company doing this commercially, or is it primarily a DIY industry? |
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Post by sirthought on Aug 5, 2019 14:58:28 GMT -6
This makes buying a "new" mac pro 5,1 or 4,1 and slapping in the top Xeon processors in it and 32-64Gb or RAM and a new GPU VERY appealing cost wise. Is there anyone or company doing this commercially, or is it primarily a DIY industry? I took a quick look on Ebay. There was one vendor selling an 8 core cheese grater mac pro with Mojave already installed. That sounds pretty appealing. Even if I bought a system setup by a vendor, I would still want to research what all the component implications are. From just reading the comments on these two videos, I gathered that one road block to OS upgrades was Apple wanting the video cards to be capable of METAL. So apparently the Dosdude app can work around that, I gather, but also replacing that component is easier with these machines. You could get a pretty serious studio workstation even with upgraded components for under $1,000. BUT, the question goes to how long will that investment work for you once Apple shifts chips and all their software begins to be unsupported. I would also be very interested to know if this upgrade patch would allow for a Thunderbolt card being installed, since I'd need that for Apollo. |
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Post by aremos on Aug 5, 2019 16:29:25 GMT -6
Think you need a special video card to use Mojave on cheese grater.
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Post by Blackdawg on Aug 6, 2019 20:31:36 GMT -6
This makes buying a "new" mac pro 5,1 or 4,1 and slapping in the top Xeon processors in it and 32-64Gb or RAM and a new GPU VERY appealing cost wise. Is there anyone or company doing this commercially, or is it primarily a DIY industry? Yes there is however that makes it cost 3-8k. Way cheaper to diy |
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Post by Ward on Aug 6, 2019 20:55:39 GMT -6
Is there anyone or company doing this commercially, or is it primarily a DIY industry? Yes there is however that makes it cost 3-8k. Way cheaper to diy Something to think about! Thank you |
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Post by the other mark williams on Aug 6, 2019 21:34:17 GMT -6
Is there anyone or company doing this commercially, or is it primarily a DIY industry? Yes there is however that makes it cost 3-8k. Way cheaper to diy Naaaaah, I bought mine from a vendor/refurbisher on eBay maybe 4yrs ago for $1600. One of the best machines I've ever had. Ward |
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Post by spindrift on Aug 6, 2019 22:25:46 GMT -6
This makes buying a "new" mac pro 5,1 or 4,1 and slapping in the top Xeon processors in it and 32-64Gb or RAM and a new GPU VERY appealing cost wise. This is EXACTLY what I did to my boat anchor MacPro 4,1 a year back and I’ve been tickled with the performance! |
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Post by Blackdawg on Aug 6, 2019 23:13:34 GMT -6
Yes there is however that makes it cost 3-8k. Way cheaper to diy Naaaaah, I bought mine from a vendor/refurbisher on eBay maybe 4yrs ago for $1600. One of the best machines I've ever had. Ward Stock Mac? Or a custom machine? I'm talking a studio ready custom Mac cheese grater. studiosolutionsmpls.com/product/12-core-mac-pro-51Granted you can make a setup that's under 2k but could drive it up pretty high if you needed horsepower in different areas. Still not a bad deal allthings considered especially if you can get Mojave on it now. I'd still be worried about long term as OSX10.15 is completely getting ride of 32bit processing. Which I'm not sure what that'll impact long term hardware wise. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Oct 3, 2019 22:35:42 GMT -6
I just did this today to my 3,1 Macpro and it worked great.
Going to order some more hard drives and a newer GPU and keep on keeping on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 6:47:45 GMT -6
Just be aware that whenever there are patches of an OS you may have to do the whole thing again. By that, I mean your apps will probably be fine, but the O/S won't automatically patch as it does with a supported machine. You'll have to do a new installation of the updated O/S. I actually tried this a couple of years ago on an old unsupported MacBook (I think the current O/S at that time was High Sierra). It worked, but felt kind of fragile. It certainly won't hurt to try if you've got an older machine lying around, but I'd definitely recommend the experiment before you commit.
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