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Post by svart on Jul 12, 2019 7:07:46 GMT -6
I'm diggin' the sloped slats Bat. Do you mean that you made the grooves yourself with a table saw? Much appreciated, MJB, thanks. Yes, the slats I cut from full sheets of birch on my table saw. I built the room myself from the ground up. Family history of building, remodeling and such that came in super handy when it was time to make my space. I commend you on your choice of wood. I love birch. It makes all the difference in the world to me to see birch up there and not pine or something else with big ugly knots all over it. I can't stand pine panels at all. Looks great.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 12, 2019 9:27:12 GMT -6
Very nice work indeed. That was a super table saw and some serious skills to get the cuts so straight. The fixing work aint bad either :-) It looks fabulous. Thanks, javamad. 52" SawStop cabinet saw, so about as good as it gets. Exactly like audio, you know - takes the tools to get the results! OT for the OP, I went this approach because the interior walls of the main room were finished out (sounds like yours are) and I didn't want to tear off the sheetrock as is recommended. I read/studied Rod Gervais " Build it Like the Pros" for many months before starting the build. His book is amazing and I'd highly recommend it. The section on creating different leaf combinations is key. The side wall in the pic is 6" out from the main room wall and the cavity is stuffed with pink fluffy insulation. Same on the front wall but it's about a foot out from the main room wall. All the studio walls were stuffed with Safe 'n Sound. Room was initially so dead it hurt your ears. I started adding slats to bring it back to life and that worked out incredibly well. I had the flooring leftover from remodeling other parts of the house so in all, didn't cost a lot to build. Should also add that I built two walls where the main room is divided. The two walls each have a door out (solid wood in the studio, steel on the outside) and have a 1.5" air gap, both stuffed with Safe 'n Sound. Also left 3' between the back wall and the main room wall for bass trapping which worked out awesome.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 12, 2019 9:28:24 GMT -6
Much appreciated, MJB, thanks. Yes, the slats I cut from full sheets of birch on my table saw. I built the room myself from the ground up. Family history of building, remodeling and such that came in super handy when it was time to make my space. I commend you on your choice of wood. I love birch. It makes all the difference in the world to me to see birch up there and not pine or something else with big ugly knots all over it. I can't stand pine panels at all. Looks great. Thanks, svart. Couldn't agree more on the pine as well! Pretty cost effective bought in sheets and sliced up.
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Post by Omicron9 on Jul 12, 2019 17:46:45 GMT -6
My room is inside a larger room as well. I went for sound first but I did do some things simply for aesthetics, like slope in the sides of my front wall about five degrees for dramatic effect and put in some variations on the back wall for visual effect (although they do play a part in the acoustics). Been in here since around 2015 and to this day I find it endlessly inspiring. The slats are sheets of 4x8 birch plywood that I ripped on my tablesaw which allowed me to cover a lot of area for less money. Bat, That looks really nice. Good work! What's behind the birch? Is it some kind of treatment?
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 13, 2019 6:08:10 GMT -6
My room is inside a larger room as well. I went for sound first but I did do some things simply for aesthetics, like slope in the sides of my front wall about five degrees for dramatic effect and put in some variations on the back wall for visual effect (although they do play a part in the acoustics). Been in here since around 2015 and to this day I find it endlessly inspiring. The slats are sheets of 4x8 birch plywood that I ripped on my tablesaw which allowed me to cover a lot of area for less money. Bat, That looks really nice. Good work! What's behind the birch? Is it some kind of treatment?
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Thanks, Omicron9! Yes, standard 2x4 stud wall stuffed with Roxul Safe 'n Sound covered in burlap (because that was cheap and has a good look). The wall is 6" off the main wall of the room outside. That cavity is filled with pink fluffy insulation.
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Post by Omicron9 on Jul 13, 2019 8:15:22 GMT -6
Bat, That looks really nice. Good work! What's behind the birch? Is it some kind of treatment?
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Thanks, Omicron9! Yes, standard 2x4 stud wall stuffed with Roxul Safe 'n Sound covered in burlap (because that was cheap and has a good look). The wall is 6" off the main wall of the room outside. That cavity is filled with pink fluffy insulation. Thanks for that, Bat. One of the options I'm considering is doing exactly what you did, but replace barnwood for your birch. Leaving strips of the fabric-covered Roxul exposed between boards. How do you feel about the acoustic qualities of it? It seems as if it would bring both absorption and diffusion; correct?
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 13, 2019 8:41:04 GMT -6
Thanks, Omicron9! Yes, standard 2x4 stud wall stuffed with Roxul Safe 'n Sound covered in burlap (because that was cheap and has a good look). The wall is 6" off the main wall of the room outside. That cavity is filled with pink fluffy insulation. Thanks for that, Bat. One of the options I'm considering is doing exactly what you did, but replace barnwood for your birch. Leaving strips of the fabric-covered Roxul exposed between boards. How do you feel about the acoustic qualities of it? It seems as if it would bring both absorption and diffusion; correct?
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That would probably look really good and work the same. Correct, for sure. The room at the stage of walls up and everything covered with burlap was sonically unbearable. Just hurt your ears to even be in it. Started adding slats and that all changed dramatically. I took measurements in between stages and just kept going down the wall until the results were super even. Attached a pic of my back wall, just for reference. It's a big part of how the room works. An important note is from Rod Gervais' book though: imperative to study his section on wall "leafs". There's a math/science approach to the size of the slats but basically copied a pic of a Tampa,FL control room I saw. Just zoomed in and estimated the slat dimensions. (My other reference was an old control room of Dave Cobb's when he really started exploding for his work.) Search up Sayers, Newel, QRD patterns if you want to really go for it though. I think you said you're designing a live room? For a live room it would definitely bring some function and inspiring vibe, IMO. Anyway, let me know if you need other details. Look forward to seeing your build out!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 13, 2019 8:49:02 GMT -6
Bat, what was your plan regarding the panel in the middle with the spacers instead of just continuing with the full wall panel?
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Post by Omicron9 on Jul 13, 2019 9:02:04 GMT -6
That would probably look really good and work the same. Correct, for sure. The room at the stage of walls up and everything covered with burlap was sonically unbearable. Just hurt your ears to even be in it. Started adding slats and that all changed dramatically. I took measurements in between stages and just kept going down the wall until the results were super even. Attached a pic of my back wall, just for reference. It's a big part of how the room works. An important note is from Rod Gervais' book though: imperative to study his section on wall "leafs". There's a math/science approach to the size of the slats but basically copied a pic of a Tampa,FL control room I saw. Just zoomed in and estimated the slat dimensions. (My other reference was an old control room of Dave Cobb's when he really started exploding for his work.) Search up Sayers, Newel, QRD patterns if you want to really go for it though. I think you said you're designing a live room? For a live room it would definitely bring some function and inspiring vibe, IMO. Anyway, let me know if you need other details. Look forward to seeing your build out! Bat; most helpful; thank you. Is this the book to which you refer: Gervais "Build it like the pros" ?
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jul 13, 2019 9:20:23 GMT -6
Bat, what was your plan regarding the panel in the middle with the spacers instead of just continuing with the full wall panel? I believe those are diffusers - we’ve got the same ones in the back of the room at Barbershop if you recall. The room has three main elements - absorption, diffusion, and reflective. They all work together to make An even sounding room. Bat, great work on that room it looks fantastic and I’m sure it sounds awesome too!
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 13, 2019 10:37:32 GMT -6
Bat, what was your plan regarding the panel in the middle with the spacers instead of just continuing with the full wall panel? I believe those are diffusers - we’ve got the same ones in the back of the room at Barbershop if you recall. The room has three main elements - absorption, diffusion, and reflective. They all work together to make An even sounding room. Bat, great work on that room it looks fantastic and I’m sure it sounds awesome too! Yes, that is the book, Omicron9. Amazing resource. MJB, Jeremy's correct there and honestly, I just love the look of those diffusers in studios although they do play an important part in how the room works. I can't remember which plans I used to build mine but it's easy to find several configurations on the web. The outer ones are about half as deep as the middle ones, so different frequencies handled by each. Funny, because I read that point a lot about the room elements working together but never got it until everything was going in my spot. Another key element was the desk. I had built a more traditional desk/table with rack space on top initially. Read about reflections so I built the more mastering-style desk I have now. Made a HUGE difference. I was stunned by how much it got out of the way compared to the older one. Jeremy, thanks, man! Long, fun journey and really, really happy with the results.
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Post by Omicron9 on Jul 13, 2019 11:18:52 GMT -6
This is the far wall in the live room of the current studio. 11 ft. peak. All India slate. Some of the slates are on risers, so it's not all flat, but it's hard to get that in the pic. The wall slants around 5 degrees side-to-side, not top-to-bottom. Great diffusion, and looks nice as well. It's decoupled from the outside structural wall with several inches of air gap between the slate wall and the exterior wall. Lots of (new) barnwood accents, like the beams, doors, interior window shutters. It's been a great space; I'll miss it. But looking forward to getting the new one up and running!
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 13, 2019 11:57:28 GMT -6
This is the far wall in the live room of the current studio. 11 ft. peak. All India slate. Some of the slates are on risers, so it's not all flat, but it's hard to get that in the pic. The wall slants around 5 degrees side-to-side, not top-to-bottom. Great diffusion, and looks nice as well. It's decoupled from the outside structural wall with several inches of air gap between the slate wall and the exterior wall. Lots of (new) barnwood accents, like the beams, doors, interior window shutters. It's been a great space; I'll miss it. But looking forward to getting the new one up and running!
Very cool and sounds like a great approach on the spacing, decoupling and such! I'll bet that does sound great as well.
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Post by Omicron9 on Jul 13, 2019 18:52:09 GMT -6
This is the far wall in the live room of the current studio. 11 ft. peak. All India slate. Some of the slates are on risers, so it's not all flat, but it's hard to get that in the pic. The wall slants around 5 degrees side-to-side, not top-to-bottom. Great diffusion, and looks nice as well. It's decoupled from the outside structural wall with several inches of air gap between the slate wall and the exterior wall. Lots of (new) barnwood accents, like the beams, doors, interior window shutters. It's been a great space; I'll miss it. But looking forward to getting the new one up and running!
Very cool and sounds like a great approach on the spacing, decoupling and such! I'll bet that does sound great as well. It does indeed. The varying textures and surfaces work great: heavy carpet on the floor, birch on the angled walls, the big slate wall, some barnwood. It's a wonderful space.
In fact, there is a Bricasti M7 v.2 preset of my studio called "Studio K."
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Post by Omicron9 on Jul 24, 2019 7:14:53 GMT -6
Along the same lines of creating not only a great sounding space, but something with visual appeal/vibe/atmosphere: I've been in a couple of studios having, and seen pics of others, black ceilings. If someone described it to me, I'd probably think ick, but after seeing it, it kinda makes the ceiling disappear. Interesting effect. Has anyone painted their studio ceiling black, and if so, how did you like it long-term?
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Post by Tbone81 on Jul 24, 2019 10:15:31 GMT -6
I like that black ceiling look in industrial settings or with drop ceilings. Either way though I’m talking about high ceilings, 12+ feet high. Anything shorter than that and I think it’s starts to feel claustrophobic.
I did paint the front wall, behind my monitors, Black in my last studio. And had a diffuser, also painted black, with black bass traps. It looked awesome.
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Post by Omicron9 on Jul 24, 2019 11:19:18 GMT -6
I like that black ceiling look in industrial settings or with drop ceilings. Either way though I’m talking about high ceilings, 12+ feet high. Anything shorter than that and I think it’s starts to feel claustrophobic. I did paint the front wall, behind my monitors, Black in my last studio. And had a diffuser, also painted black, with black bass traps. It looked awesome. Thanks, Tbone. What did that do for your sense of space? IOW, did the room seem larger, smaller, or no difference? -09
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Post by Tbone81 on Jul 24, 2019 12:09:17 GMT -6
It was a small room to begin with, and kind of “L” shaped. the front wall was almost like a little cave around my desk. The room felt small but not because of the black wall. I put some small gooseneck lights from ikea on the ground pointing up against the wall and diffuser and it looked great.
I intitialy had some of the other walls painted too, not black, but eventually painted the rest of the room white to make it feel open.
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