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Post by tasteliketape on Jul 1, 2019 21:27:59 GMT -6
I’m kinda liking this for just me doodling around . Not really many real steel players that I know , so maybe I can fake it lol Just listening on phone haven’t listened on speakers.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 1, 2019 21:34:22 GMT -6
Oh wow! Haven’t watched yet but there’s only been one other one that didn’t really work well.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 1, 2019 21:41:34 GMT -6
That’s by far the most realistic one I’ve heard. I could see using this Berber up as a pad in the background.
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Post by drbill on Jul 1, 2019 22:05:20 GMT -6
Yeah, sounds good. Wonder how easily it falls under the hand when playing it. That's where the rubber meets the road.
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Post by lando on Jul 2, 2019 1:39:07 GMT -6
Wow, that’s actually really nice sounding! Thanks for the tip!
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Post by sirthought on Jul 2, 2019 2:51:53 GMT -6
I’m kinda liking this for just me doodling around . Not really many real steel players that I know , so maybe I can fake it lol Just listening on phone haven’t listened on speakers. If you need an introduction to Gerald Menke, I can make that happen, and he's one of the best I've heard. Does session work remotely out of his home in Brooklyn at night. Drives a truck by day. Has played on a ton of records because there just aren't too many steel players in every city.
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Post by M57 on Jul 2, 2019 5:36:31 GMT -6
Yeah, sounds good. Wonder how easily it falls under the hand when playing it. That's where the rubber meets the road. The harmonization editor looks pretty straight ahead, though I didn't understand how the three-part harmony worked by holding down an F and an F# in the keyswitch register ..considering you hold down an E for two-part harmony. Weird, but I guess that's what manuals are for. Also, I'm kind of wondering if it's going to be too perfectly in tune.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 2, 2019 6:59:39 GMT -6
jtc111 isn’t this what you just picked up?
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Post by jtc111 on Jul 2, 2019 9:34:41 GMT -6
jtc111 isn’t this what you just picked up? Yep. It's far better than any other pedal steel VIs I've heard. I think I've only come across a few over the years. They sounded pretty awful and the GUIs were bad as well. The tutorial video for this one sold me quickly.
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Post by Quint on Jul 2, 2019 20:37:21 GMT -6
I wonder how this was sampled? Also, I'm guessing this is velocity sensitive? If so, it seems like it would have been a nightmare to sample all of those variations in volume when considering all of the other variables like slides, bends, vibrato, and volume swells.
It does sound relatively convincing though.
Like Bill said though, it's the actual playing of this thing that will make or break it. It also seems that, though this might work in a studio environment where you can go in and pre-program it to play certain harmony notes, trying to use this in a live environment would probably be a no go unless you had a bunch of profiles loaded up or something so that you could switch them out for various songs. It would obviously be better to just have a real steel player though.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 2, 2019 20:59:41 GMT -6
I wonder how this was sampled? Also, I'm guessing this is velocity sensitive? If so, it seems like it would have been a nightmare to sample all of those variations in volume when considering all of the other variables like slides, bends, vibrato, and volume swells. It does sound relatively convincing though. Like Bill said though, it's the actual playing of this thing that will make or break it. It also seems that, though this might work in a studio environment where you can go in and pre-program it to play certain harmony notes, trying to use this in a live environment would probably be a no go unless you had a bunch of profiles loaded up or something so that you could switch them out for various songs. It would obviously be better to just have a real steel player though. I’m just hoping I can make it pad with the signature pedal bend somewhere way in the background.
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Post by Quint on Jul 2, 2019 21:35:29 GMT -6
I wonder how this was sampled? Also, I'm guessing this is velocity sensitive? If so, it seems like it would have been a nightmare to sample all of those variations in volume when considering all of the other variables like slides, bends, vibrato, and volume swells. It does sound relatively convincing though. Like Bill said though, it's the actual playing of this thing that will make or break it. It also seems that, though this might work in a studio environment where you can go in and pre-program it to play certain harmony notes, trying to use this in a live environment would probably be a no go unless you had a bunch of profiles loaded up or something so that you could switch them out for various songs. It would obviously be better to just have a real steel player though. I’m just hoping I can make it pad with the signature pedal bend somewhere way in the background. It also makes me wonder if this isn't one of those classic examples where, if you already know how to play/make it sound the way the original sounds, it's much easier to know how to get a substitute to sound like the original. This argument has been made about ITB mixing and plugins, as it concerns analog veterans versus newbies. I would think the same might apply in this situation. A real steel player might have a lot easier time getting this thing to sound passable compared to how I might be able to get it to sound.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 2, 2019 23:10:31 GMT -6
I’m just hoping I can make it pad with the signature pedal bend somewhere way in the background. It also makes me wonder if this isn't one of those classic examples where, if you already know how to play/make it sound the way the original sounds, it's much easier to know how to get a substitute to sound like the original. This argument has been made about ITB mixing and plugins, as it concerns analog veterans versus newbies. I would think the same might apply in this situation. A real steel player might have a lot easier time getting this thing to sound passable compared to how I might be able to get it to sound. Sure - very valid point...honestly kind of how I feel with programming drums. I guess I was always more melodic and just never paid attention to the intricacies of closed/open hi hats with the pedal and stuff. Took me a while to not play like a three handed drummer. Although, this seems easier to me because it can really be a secondary instrument just playing pads.
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Post by bluegrassdan on Jul 3, 2019 6:54:06 GMT -6
Quite impressive. Does it make your thigh muscles hurt too? If they can figure THAT out then they’ll have my undivided attention.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 3, 2019 10:19:33 GMT -6
Quite impressive. Does it make your thigh muscles hurt too? If they can figure THAT out then they’ll have my undivided attention. Ha - I thought you might absolutely hate it...Certainly important stuff should be left to the real thing, but man, if this could just do nice pads, it would be invaluable for my no-budget demos.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 3, 2019 10:19:46 GMT -6
BTW - is there no demo? I didn't see one...
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Post by bluegrassdan on Jul 3, 2019 16:52:58 GMT -6
Nah. There are far more critical things to hate in life than a pedal steel midi program.
The intro actually had me fooled for a second. Someone worked really hard on this.
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Post by notneeson on Jul 3, 2019 17:14:48 GMT -6
No judgments, but steel might be my favorite thing to track, aside from drums.
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Post by Ward on Jul 3, 2019 20:41:04 GMT -6
This is quite sweet and useful! One could easily compose and chart steel guitar parts with it, supply a demo and a printed score to a player to come in and lay down the real track later.
I do this often with drums, bass, fiddle etc. I can see this being fantastically useful in that same manner.
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Post by M57 on Jul 10, 2019 8:20:16 GMT -6
This is quite sweet and useful! One could easily compose and chart steel guitar parts with it, supply a demo and a printed score to a player to come in and lay down the real track later. I do this often with drums, bass, fiddle etc. I can see this being fantastically useful in that same manner. Ward, You don't have this, do you? jtc111, You do, right? Is it as intuitive as the video suggests?
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Post by Ward on Jul 10, 2019 9:34:55 GMT -6
This is quite sweet and useful! One could easily compose and chart steel guitar parts with it, supply a demo and a printed score to a player to come in and lay down the real track later. I do this often with drums, bass, fiddle etc. I can see this being fantastically useful in that same manner. Ward, You don't have this, do you? jtc111, You do, right? Is it as intuitive as the video suggests? I don't have it yet. But I'm seriously considering a major investment into VI and besides piano and strings, this is very very tempting!
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Post by jtc111 on Jul 10, 2019 16:10:26 GMT -6
Ward, You don't have this, do you? jtc111 , You do, right? Is it as intuitive as the video suggests? I don't have it yet. But I'm seriously considering a major investment into VI and besides piano and strings, this is very very tempting! "Intuitive" depends on the person. It's a fairly complex interface and requires some digging into it before you're going to get what you want. But I think once it's set up to get the vibe you want, it's no more complex than any other vst with articulations. I've only spent a little time with it so far and I really like what it can do. When I can, I'll spend a few hours getting familiar with the GUI and I'm not expecting it to be any harder to figure out than other instruments. The video certainly makes it look easier than it is when you first use it but I suspect some can get to that point. I've never been able to master playing melody and doing key switches at the same time on any vst. My method is to lay down the melody first and add the articulations after. So it will never be as easy as the video for me but if you can already pull that off with other programs, I don't see a reason why you wouldn't be able to do it with this one.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 14, 2019 20:57:04 GMT -6
I’m such a sucker. I bought it...and of course I haven’t read the instructions, but holy shit it’s confusing. I KNEW I shouldn’t have. I swear I could just play a steel easier than this.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 14, 2019 21:01:21 GMT -6
Gotta be freaking Einstein to figure it out
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Post by ragan on Aug 14, 2019 22:42:53 GMT -6
Ahh shit. This thing has been on my mind. Let us know if the learning curve softens at all.
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