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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 22, 2019 15:57:10 GMT -6
Yes - this is what happens to me...I didn’t really understand how a mono source could be out of phase, but I guess it definitely could be considering I’m sure my hearback system via adat has some latency. popmann is this why you’re always analog for monitoring?
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 22, 2019 15:57:40 GMT -6
I haven’t really even bothered with it because I’m used to dealing with it.
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Post by drbill on Sept 22, 2019 16:02:06 GMT -6
Hey drbill - switch flip the phase on the mic pre and see if the bottom comes back. This happens to me too...no idea why unless something wired wrong in the path. Hey John! I will try that next time it's up on the stand. I'm not really used to those phones. Caught me off guard. Thanks for the tip. bp
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Post by shoe on Sept 22, 2019 16:13:52 GMT -6
Yes - this is what happens to me...I didn’t really understand how a mono source could be out of phase, but I guess it definitely could be considering I’m sure my hearback system via adat has some latency. popmann is this why you’re always analog for monitoring? Well, easily. If the output is an inverted waveform of the input and the rest of your gear doesn't invert it again, what you are hearing when monitoring will be inverted compared to what you're hearing live in your head. But also, if anything is bleeding back into the mic from the headphones, it would also be cancelling itself out because of this. It's not strictly a mono source if you are feeding back the output to two speakers that are near your ears.
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Post by shoe on Sept 22, 2019 18:19:07 GMT -6
Oh, and I also was having this issue, actually, but had thought there was something else going on. However, flipping the polarity on my preamps does indeed solve the issue and all the bass comes back into my voice. The odd thing is that I know that my 1176 clones flip polarity and running through one of those doesn't solve the issue. So now I am thoroughly confused.
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Post by drbill on Sept 22, 2019 18:22:22 GMT -6
I wired my studio myself, and I'm sure that unless the WT72 is pin 3 hot (and I can't imagine it is) that the polarity of signal is OK. But I will still give it a go!
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Post by shoe on Sept 22, 2019 18:48:25 GMT -6
I wired my studio myself, and I'm sure that unless the WT72 is pin 3 hot (and I can't imagine it is) that the polarity of signal is OK. But I will still give it a go! Yeah, same. I'm positive about the polarity of my pieces as well because I regularly print through all of them and look at the waveforms (which is why I know the 1176es flip polarity for some reason). This is a new one for me. Edit: After a quick tooling around on the internet, it seems like this is something lots of people do to improve the monitor sound while tracking vocals for a variety of different mics.
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Post by popmann on Sept 22, 2019 20:30:30 GMT -6
Yes - this is what happens to me...I didn’t really understand how a mono source could be out of phase, but I guess it definitely could be considering I’m sure my hearback system via adat has some latency. popmann is this why you’re always analog for monitoring? I guess kind of....phase and polarity get used interchangeably....to the detriment of understanding. A mono signal CAN be a negative polarity. If you've ever seen an internet running around a session wit ha DRBeat or whatever little electronic clicker into all the mics? That's what they're doing. If you want to hear the effect of that--you can also just use the backside of a Fig8 mic. It will output pulls rather than pushes so to speak. That is THE reason why desks and preamps HAVE the polarity button. That often sounds really terrible/odd in headphones-while some people can't "hear it" in speakers...the feed being latent can certainly have a more pronounced effect--much lie how noise cancelling headphones works. Inverting the polarity on sound that you ALSO hear the original. I do it (analog cue) because I tend to get better performances out of the snowflake that is my main artist now. ....but, primarily just because everything is easier for very little $$.
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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 23, 2019 6:32:20 GMT -6
This used to happen with me while using the Neve 1073 Unison Plugin for tracking through my Apollo. I couldn’t hear myself. At some point I watched a video microphone shootout and they mentioned this issue. Now when I find I have an issue hearing myself during tracking I simply switch the phase. I also found one of my preamps is not in the correct polarity, maybe it’s the cabling. I don’t know, so it just lives with the polarity switch engaged and I double check it before recording.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 23, 2019 7:51:22 GMT -6
I wired my studio myself, and I'm sure that unless the WT72 is pin 3 hot (and I can't imagine it is) that the polarity of signal is OK. But I will still give it a go! Yeah, same. I'm positive about the polarity of my pieces as well because I regularly print through all of them and look at the waveforms (which is why I know the 1176es flip polarity for some reason). This is a new one for me. Edit: After a quick tooling around on the internet, it seems like this is something lots of people do to improve the monitor sound while tracking vocals for a variety of different mics. It happens when using my ADG, but not the V Comp. I assume the Stam is wired incorrectly.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 23, 2019 8:08:54 GMT -6
Hmm.. I have to check that out. Yesterday was using a different mic, and it was getting lost in the sauce when recording with all the tracks playing, even with the track kept kind of low.
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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 23, 2019 9:00:24 GMT -6
Yeah, same. I'm positive about the polarity of my pieces as well because I regularly print through all of them and look at the waveforms (which is why I know the 1176es flip polarity for some reason). This is a new one for me. Edit: After a quick tooling around on the internet, it seems like this is something lots of people do to improve the monitor sound while tracking vocals for a variety of different mics. It happens when using my ADG, but not the V Comp. I assume the Stam is wired incorrectly. That's not the first time that complaint has come up with Stam Gear.
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Post by sirthought on Sept 23, 2019 13:23:24 GMT -6
I remember hearing from one of the RGO'ers reviews that Stam mics were shipped out with the polarity reversed.
So this H47t is having similar issues?
If you have a chain of gear (mic/EQ/comp/etc) and they all have different setting, I guess that might be hard to track down.
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Post by mulmany on Sept 23, 2019 13:30:25 GMT -6
That is not what was being said...
It has to do with head voice and monitoring via headphones.
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Post by shoe on Sept 23, 2019 16:55:23 GMT -6
Yeah, same. I'm positive about the polarity of my pieces as well because I regularly print through all of them and look at the waveforms (which is why I know the 1176es flip polarity for some reason). This is a new one for me. Edit: After a quick tooling around on the internet, it seems like this is something lots of people do to improve the monitor sound while tracking vocals for a variety of different mics. It happens when using my ADG, but not the V Comp. I assume the Stam is wired incorrectly. Oh, mine are 2 Hairball units that I built. I followed the instructions, so I think possibly the OTs had a couple wires with the wrong colors or something (Hairball said it's not normal). Apparently switching Red and Blue should fix it. I have been holding off on fixing it, though, because I also want to try some sowters in there and they're on backorder at the moment. Of course if the Sowters also do it, maybe there's some other issue like a flipped connector cable or something.
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Post by drbill on Sept 23, 2019 17:17:25 GMT -6
Or maybe the headphones I picked up sucked....
maybe we can get back on topic?
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Post by shoe on Sept 23, 2019 19:17:32 GMT -6
Or maybe the headphones I picked up sucked.... maybe we can get back on topic? lol possibly. Anyway, I torally hear what you mean about the "reach" of the mic. There's a huge sweet spot on this mic that makes me feel like it will be much easier to get consistent results. One thing I sometimes have had a hard time with is doing a vocal take and the going back to touch up some phrases after the first pass and then struggling to get the tone of the voice the same because of finnicky positioning. I feel like that's less of a problem with this mic.
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Post by drbill on Sept 23, 2019 19:45:14 GMT -6
Or maybe the headphones I picked up sucked.... maybe we can get back on topic? lol possibly. Anyway, I torally hear what you mean about the "reach" of the mic. There's a huge sweet spot on this mic that makes me feel like it will be much easier to get consistent results. One thing I sometimes have had a hard time with is doing a vocal take and the going back to touch up some phrases after the first pass and then struggling to get the tone of the voice the same because of finnicky positioning. I feel like that's less of a problem with this mic.Sweet. I know exactly what you mean. I don't have enough vocal work with the mic yet, but yeah, I get the feeling that what you have experienced will be how I feel about it too.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Sept 25, 2019 21:55:08 GMT -6
I can't wait for this mic to be in stock and out of preorder land. Will buy one immediately.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Sept 26, 2019 7:04:29 GMT -6
I can't wait for this mic to be in stock and out of preorder land. Will buy one immediately. We hope to have some more ready toward the end of October or beginning of November. If you want to stay ahead of the game, sign up for the newsletter on our website and we'll send out advance notice when they're ready. Newsletter Link
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Sept 29, 2019 22:49:56 GMT -6
I can't wait for this mic to be in stock and out of preorder land. Will buy one immediately. We hope to have some more ready toward the end of October or beginning of November. If you want to stay ahead of the game, sign up for the newsletter on our website and we'll send out advance notice when they're ready. Newsletter Link100% already on the list. Write up in the latest TapeOp was cool too. Keep up the great work!
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Post by drbill on Oct 1, 2019 10:26:51 GMT -6
Woohoooo!!! I'll be getting a H7 / M7 Headbasket / Capsule this week. Looking forward to it.
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Post by chessparov on Oct 1, 2019 12:35:45 GMT -6
Congrats! Chris
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Post by Ward on Oct 1, 2019 13:53:00 GMT -6
Mine is shipped. I'll also be ordering an M7 headbasket later on, drbill and an H48 headbasket when Heiserman and wave and @mdmatt2 and tskguy get that sorted!
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Post by drbill on Oct 2, 2019 16:02:22 GMT -6
I got my HM7 Headbasket today. Many thanks to Matt from Heiserman for making this happen so easily. Again, great product, with exemplary build quality, and great customer service. Matt quickly walked me thru the head basket swap and it was super easy. Takes all of a minute or two, and is even simple enough for someone who has never taken a mic apart before. Luckily, I have, and I know which end of the screwdriver to hold.... heh heh... Opened up a track in PT and sang a couple of lines with both capsules. The M7 sounds just like what I expected and hoped it would sound like. More vintage sounding, a tad bit warmer, and maybe - although this could have been mic position - a tad bit quieter. Not sure about that one though. There's no doubt that with these two capsules, this mic is a very versatile contender. Many thanks to Matt and Eric and everyone else at Heiserman for delivering such great products at very affordable pricing. Cheers, bp PS - Chrome for HM7, Matte for HK47!! Attachments:
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